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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Credit Card Chip Fraud DAMNED IMPORTANT YOU SEE THIS
https://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw%26sns=em
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desertcpl
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that's just not right
what bird brain invented this
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rts551
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RFID has been around for a long time. we were using them in military and DoD civilian ID.s 20 years ago.
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tjsue
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Exxon had a key ring tag that had RIFD on it. All you had to do was hold it up the card reader, and it would scan the tag.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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I think it important to not have an opportunity to step up to an ATM a thousand miles from home and see the machine report a bank balance of $00.00
"disponible". Having zero money many hundreds of miles from the US border is not my idea of fun.
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rts551
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I agree. better to put it under your mattress.
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durrelllrobert
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Some states already have the RFID chip in their drivers license and CA wants to do the same "to speed up border crossing". With that same hardware
crooks can get your home address and since the know your not home and won't be back for some time (depending where you are in the world) they can then
phone someone to go burglarize your house.
Bob Durrell
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woody with a view
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pretty cool! no of my cards are those type....
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Piece of cake. Line the credit card sleeve with the packaging microchips and memory comes in. Line your mattress with the packaging if you must.
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David K
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Tin foil to the rescue!
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Terry28
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Just use the left over tin foil from your hats guys...
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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elbeau
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I hate this kind of stuff, but for more reasons than most people. I've been working for an RFID manufacturer for 9 1/2 years now and besides the
obvious problems that the credit card companies are creating for consumers, they are also undermining our entire industry.
The company I work for sells RFID tags to track things like servers in data centers, medical equipment in hospitals, and pallets in supply chains. We
don't track people and we don't implant our stuff in credit cards, drivers licenses, or other critical stuff. We know our products well enough that
our salespeople will be the first to tell you that it can't be reliably used for security but that it is great for automating business processes.
...but then VISA decides to do a stupid implementation that ignores the most obvious vulnerabilities and the next thing you know our whole industry
gets headlines for being a threat to people's security. I've been with the company long enough to see this happen over and over in various ways such
as RFID in passports, RFID on keychains, Wal-Mart's ridiculous RFID push a few years back, RFID companies announcing implantable devices, etc., etc..
It gets people so freaked out about how the technology can be used wrong that they don't consider how it can be used reasonably.
We lose sales because of crap like this and it has nothing to do with us.
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durrelllrobert
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"we don't implant our stuff in credit cards, drivers licenses, or other critical stuff. We know our products well enough that our salespeople will be
the first to tell you that it can't be reliably used for security but that it is great for automating business processes."
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Somebody does. Why not take your complaint about impacting the whole industry up with them?
Bob Durrell
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MMc
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It's in is in your Passport card, Sentri card, and your new Passport too.
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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woody with a view
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my passport card doesn't contain all of my financial info, does it?
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elbeau
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| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
"we don't implant our stuff in credit cards, drivers licenses, or other critical stuff. We know our products well enough that our salespeople will be
the first to tell you that it can't be reliably used for security but that it is great for automating business processes."
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Yep, they do, and there's not a lot we can do about it. Do you think the major credit card companies care enough tot listen to reason? Evidently
swiping your card is too much of a burden compared to waving it 2" away from where you used to swipe it. It's insane. They are broadcasting out your
actual credit card number with no form of encryption or other security.
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MMc
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Woody, The Passport, et all do have your personal info on them. There is a reason there is a foil envelope they come in. Check this out if you are
afraid of people stealing your credit info. The phones are being used today.
http://www.rfidjournal.com/articles/view?1020
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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MrBillM
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OLD NEWS
Those who have been just getting the information on RFID fraud haven't been paying attention for quite awhile now.
With news story after story being done for (at least) a couple of years now.
Those Cable-TV and online hucksters along with Walmart and the like have been hustling those ($9.95) Aluminum Credit-Card "Wallets" for at least that
long.
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chuckie
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Old news indeed, and yet another thing that we cant do anything about.. One of the reasons I dont use credit cards.If it makes you nervous,use
cash..BUT these days a lot of people dont have any,thats why they use credit cards...
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MitchMan
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elbeau,
Just how far away from a reader (inches, feet?) can a credit card be read in most cases?
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