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BajaBlanca
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Does he have a cell phine? I was told you can be tracked with a cell phone, whether it is on or off.
No phone service in .campo rene. As a matter of fact, internet seems to be iffy these days over there too.
I just sent a U2U to Ralph in Abreojos. Once the car gets back, I will head over to see what I can find out.
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UglyDuckling
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Since Gary's phone isnt a smartphone (old flip phone) and has no signal south of Ensanada I dont believe so
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BeemerDan
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I bought one last year before my solo ride down to Central America, They work really well, and I used the ok button to let my wife know all was well
when I couldn't get internet to email her, $$ well spent IMO
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bajaguy
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SPOT
I traded in my Gen 1 SPOT for a new Gen 3. Smaller, easier to use. Currently tracking our trip from Nevada to Baja.
Works great!!!
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KurtG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
Lot of people talk about them..I dont know any one who actually has one.. |
While following this thread I have many times thought that a Spot would have eliminated all this. I have had one for 3 years and have never used the
"need help" or "911/Rescue" function. I use the "I'm OK and here's where I am" function a couple of times a day while motorcycling around Baja and
other places. It costs $98.00/yr and provides Kathy and my daughter reassurance that I'm ok. If suddenly there is no contact they will at least know
where I was the previous day and what direction I was headed. I have been riding around Baja for almost 40 years now and had a couple of times when
this technology would have helped. Frankly, it is well worth the cost to provide peace of mind those who care about me.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KurtG
While following this thread I have many times thought that a Spot would have eliminated all this. |
It's only good if the holder wants to use it. I have a feeling this would not have been the case here.
We've been called upon to assist in finding this man, but pertinent details have been denied us. That is wrong. We should be full aware of what we are
being called into.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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LVPatton
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Thanks to all for continued support. We will continue to ignore the negativity. Dennis, what do you want?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LVPatton
Thanks to all for continued support. We will continue to ignore the negativity. Dennis, what do you want? |
Answers to these questions asked yesterday would have been a good start.
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We have no idea where this guy's head's at....his mental state...his habits....his interests....nothing.
So much info has been omitted that I feel uninformed. |
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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LVPatton
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Troll
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LVPatton
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To those so kind on this forum, uncle Dave heading to GN Friday with Manuel.
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EdZeranski
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willyAirstream
A tablet or smartphone gps works anywhere it can see a satellite. I have one. But, lets continue this in another post and not get this post OT.
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Do the tablets/smartphones have internal GPS receivers or just use the GPS derived timing/location from the accessed cells?
I've used a lot of GPS disciplined system clocks that had internal GPS receivers with external antennas( antennae for the prissy)
but not directly from phones or tablets..just asking
EdZ KG6UTS
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chuckie
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does that mean he has been found?
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willyAirstream
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To those so kind on this forum, uncle Dave heading to GN Friday with Manuel.
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So he has been found? Any details?
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LVPatton
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he has not been found. Thanks for concern and following this post. It is appreciated.
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chuckie
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take the techie stuff to another thread focus on the lost guy
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redmesa
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Back to money, given true that he budgets cash on hand for his trips then how would he be getting by for10 days over his expected trip? You need
money even in Baja.
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LVPatton
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Possible he is not short on funds at this point.
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lizard lips
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When I first saw this missing persons post it hit home, as they all do. I have worked on several as a Private Investigator in Baja and some did not
all have good outcomes. After a few days of reading posts I decided to call Jennifer whose phone number was listed on the flyer. On September 15 I
explained to Jennifer who I was and that I live in Ensenada and am knowledgeable in missing persons investigations in Mexico. I also made a point that
I was not calling her to solicit business in that I have a lot of assignments right now and would not be able to take time to work this but I could
help with my ideas and thoughts on who needs to be contacted but this needs to be done right now. She told me that Garys brother Dave went south as
far as BOLA and did not turn up anything. Jenn told me that she would forward my information to her family who was organizing a search. She also told
me that her Aunt is a county sheriff and that she was involved. She did not ask me anything regarding what should be done and said she for me not to
call Dave in that he will not answer any calls that he does not recognize the number. I said I would be waiting for Daves call and I could help with a
plan when the search continues.
No call on the 16th. On the 17th I sent the below email to Jennifer at 11:00 a.m.:
Jenn,
I really don't know why your family has not contacted me yet but maybe you can explain that later however right now I want to get this information to
you so you can start contacting some of the facilities that I would if I was doing this investigation. You must remember that time is very important
and every day that goes by this process will be more difficult.
First off I don't present myself as an "expert" but since I have done this kind of investigation on many occasions and in many different countries I
believe I could, at the very least, help you. As I also said I am not looking for compensation with my ideas to help you along the way. I have enough
work right now to last me for quite awhile. I have never had a family member in this position and I know it must be very frustrating and that is why I
am offering my help.
I saw on the BajaNomad board that someone suggested to hire an airplane to search for your Uncles vehicle. I believe this is a waste of time right now
and other things need to be done first.
In the flyer I am glad you did not offer a reward for information. If you did you will receive calls from undesirable individuals who have no
knowledge of Garys current location and will attempt to scam you.
Please contact all junk yards and tow companies from Ensenada to Mulege to verify if the vehicle has been recovered. My brother in law here in
Ensenada owns the largest tow facility in the city and is contracted by the Federal de Caminos (Mexican Highway Patrol) to tow for them. Other tow
companies south of Ensenada are also contracted by the federals so this needs to be done. A personal appearance to these companies is your best bet.
Telephone calls do not generate much enthusiasm and while there several flyers need to be given to them. Of course this includes all city, state, and
individually owned tow businesses. The vehicle could have been stripped and what is left could be at one of these companies junk yards.
Another one of my family members is the "commandant" of the Federal de Caminos here in Ensenada. I understand that flyers have been given to the
Mexican Highway Patrol but in order to make sure that this information does not fade away daily notices must be supplied to each patrol officer with
Garys description and vehicle information up and down the peninsula.
One of my good friend for over 20 years is Marco Novelo who was just voted in as "Delagado" (Federal Congressman) and his office is located next to
the City of Ensenada "Presidencia" just south of the city. He is also the owner of Las Rosas Hotel in Ensenada. His congressional area is from the
city of Ensenada to BOLA. You MUST contact Marco and ask for a letter from him that can be presented to city, state, and federal facilities that need
to be contacted. These letters go a long way and especially now with tourism on the re-bound and Marco as well as his staff will be very helpful.
Marco speaks English. No one in government wants to see tourism decline and I assume they will be more than helpful. Marco could get a flyer to every
Mexican Federal Government employee from Ensenada to BOLA.
These other items need to be done right now: As much as everyone wants your Uncle in good health and return unharmed you have to look at the other
side of the issue. Dental records need to be available and sent to any agency that may need them. I was in a position once that this became a problem
and was not resolved for a few weeks when it could have been completed the same day. Also medical history regarding any broken bones, surgeries, and
tattoos that Gary may have had. Local offices of the Cruz Rojo (Red Cross) as well as the local Semefo (Morgue) need to be contacted.
Police agencies in each and every small town and rancho and their out posts need to be contacted personally and flyers given.
Each contact that you make wherever it is get a name of the person you spoke with and their telephone number so that you can follow up on a semi
weekly basis.
The American Embassy can not really help you. They will make a file but as far as them contacting anyone is not part of their protocol in missing
persons issues.
You had mentioned that your Aunt is a Deputy Sheriff in California. I am sure that the sheriffs office has a liaison with Mexican authorities and this
is great but you cannot depend on their counterpart to hit the streets. You need someone on the ground to get these things done and it is time
consuming.
These are just a few ideas I have. I'm sure I will come up with more as time goes by. It is so nice that others have offered their time to post flyers
and contact who they know in the areas they live but they must continue their efforts as much as they can in the days ahead.
If there is anything I can do for you please let me know. Run your ideas past me because I have been there on prior investigations and you don't want
to spin your wheels.
All the best,
Dan
I want to be clear why I think junk yards and tow companies need to be contacted...If Gary was murdered I believe everything in his vehicle would have
been taken as well as the vehicle stripped. There is a chance the 4 runner would be at one of these yards.
It was not until the morning of Sept. 18th that a woman, Macarena, called me and said she was part of Garys family and was calling from Las Vegas. She
told me that she was happy that I made contact and then asked what needed to be done. I asked her if she read my email that was sent to Jennifer and
she said no. I told her that she needed to read this and start from there. I explained that someone from the family needs to go to San Quintin and
contact everyone I listed as well as all police, hospitals, clinics, restaurants, taco stands etc. Make sure they also bring a lot of flyers to post
everywhere... Macarena asked how much an investigator would charge to do this for them and I told her it could be as high as 10k depending on what
leads they have but most investigators would ask for a retainer for maybe 3k and when this amount runs out, and a detailed report is submitted, they
could discuss further investigation and another retainer would be asked for. She was told that a family member or friend could do everything a paid
investigator could do but you must start now. I again made sure that Macarena was aware that I could not accept this assignment and that I was giving
my thoughts only as a concerned person that has experience in issues as these. Macarena, as far as I was concerned, was trying to wrap up the
conversation way to early only after about 6 minutes of talking. A few things I did learn from her was that Gary was expected back home two weeks ago
which would have been on the 4th but we know he was a guest at Jardines Hotel in SQ on the 5th. This was the last know confirmed information we have.
I asked about Garys mental state and she mentioned that he may have been suffering from memory issues (her words-not mine). This is also new news.
Macarena reported that it was unusual that Gary has not called. She said he would have called at least every other day.
I thought I would pass on this information because it appears to me there is no sense of urgency with the way the family is handling this but maybe
they are doing something. WHAT! If they are I wish they would pass on what is known or what they are doing with all of us. They were the ones that
made it known to BajaNomad so we should be included. Because the family appear to not be very excited with current events then we here are also not to
concerned but I am and I'm sure many of you are.
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LVPatton
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My wifes conversation with you was short due to your high level of negativity. There were some helpful tips and for that we are thankful. You also
made it very clear you are important, busy and yes would charge $10,000
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LVPatton
My wifes conversation with you was short due to your high level of negativity. There were some helpful tips and for that we are thankful. You also
made it very clear you are important, busy and yes would charge $10,000
[Edited on 9-20-2013 by LVPatton] |
This lvpatton sounds like a nut. Perhaps the "searchers" are scammers, ex wives, who knows? Maybe the lost one has good reason to stay lost.
Searchers that refuse to answer phones?
Anyone actually met the searching family? Or are nomads just responding to emails from Nigerians?
Seems odd.
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