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Baja independence movement
Separatist Group seeks independence for Baja California Mexico:
http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/44745/Separatist-Group-s...
[Edited on 10-18-2013 by BajaNomad]
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Estadas Unidas de Baja?
Separatist Group seeks independence for Baja California Mexico
The petition is circulating the social networks, but how feasible is it?
Separatist Group seeks independence for Baja California
by Elizabeth Rosales
October 16 2013

Because of the uncertainty generated by the possible approval of the Tax Reform and the consequent discontent of the people, it was proposed through
social media that the state Baja California becomes an independent country. The Facebook group “Republic of Baja California” which was created this
past October 14 made the suggestion and today it counts with over 26,000 followers.
The first time Baja California tried to become independent was in the mid 1800’s with William Walker, journalist and leader of a freebooter movement,
which sought power and recognition beyond the expansion of their country, the United States.
Their dream was to colonize Baja California as well as Sonora and turn them into a Nation. They even had a flag designed that represented these 2
states, although finally it was not able to be finished. In 1853, Walker declared the independence of Baja California and self-proclaimed himself as
it's first President and established Ensenada as the capital city, although none of this was recognized as such.
Both Mexico and the United States signed an agreement to persecute him, which is why he finally ended up turning himself in to the American
authorities.
Gilberto Lavenant Sifuentes, Journalist of the Agencia Fronteriza de Noticias, pointed out the controversy started by this Facebook group indicating
that “It's not as easy as it looks” recommending that professionals be consulted, with knowledge of history and constitutionalism.
During Felipe Calderon's term as president, in 2010, they spoke about this initiative but only for a brief period of time. They talked about making
Baja California independent from the rest of the country and making it into an Independent nation due to the law controlling dollars, which was a
modification to article 115 of the Credit Institutions Law, imposed by the Treasury Department which intended to have a better control (and reduce)
the dollar currency in the country as well as way to fight money laundering.
The decision was very criticized by campaigns which attacked the centralist politics in the country, arguing that these decisions didn’t meet the
needs of the republic, especially the border:
We are now living a similar situation, although the problem is different, the citizens are dealing with a proposal coming from the country's interior,
a decision that northerners despise: The VAT standardization.
Establishing it's own currency, political division, changes to the states hymn, which would then become the national anthem, as well as showing off a
few examples of a possible flag and relocating the cities capital to Ojos Negros, Real del Castillo, according to the sites administrators, as a
strategy in the event of war according to it's geographical location, “as far away from coasts and borders”.
The newspaper El Universal reported today that the region of Cataluña in Spain was looking to declare it's independence, and regions like Scotland
from the United Kingdom, Flandes of Belgica and Quebec of Canada, are all pursuing the same dream as Baja California in Mexico.
What do we need? Is it possible?
Victor Ramon Soto del Toro wrote in one of the Facebook comments that “Declaring one's currency and defending it as valid is an act of legitimate
democracy”, he is proposing that we accept an exclusive exchange rate for Baja California as the first step, what others are questioning is what would
be the economic support for this currency.
According to a chart published by the blog DatosyNumeritos (Data and numbers) based on information from INEGI, Baja California does not figure among
the states with the best economy in the country, however, Baja California is among the states with the best quality of life at the border, according
to The State of the Border Report, a book published this year by Wilson Center in collaboration with the North Border Collegiate, which can be
interpreted that it may not obtain the largest amount of income, but it does count with the advantage of greater access to cheaper products in
comparison to the rest of the country which cannot cross over to the United States to purchase electronics or clothes at better prices, on the other
hand we also find that Baja California has less poverty than the average in the rest of the Republic.
Baja California, both Northern and Southern, figure in the 3rd and 4th place in the states of Mexico with the highest rate for human development in
2010.
Is Baja California's Independence viable? Is it a mere joke or a movement seeking to get organized? Only time will tell. Some consider it foolishness,
simple pipe dreams. For the moment it's possible to imagine that it’s a movement which is organized under the impulse of the peoples rage and will not
transcend to anything more. There is a lot of interest in the country's politics, however, it tends to fade away fast, without letting anything truly
be established.
It happened when Enrique Peña Nieto took his position as President, and the same thing with Felipe Calderon. All it takes is a while for us to
passively accept the governments impositions, be it because of rationalization, thinking that uprising would be madness, or because of laziness to
act.
Elizabeth.Rosales@sandiegored.com
Since the details about the Tax Reform proposed by President Enrique Peña Nieto were presented to the citizens, there has been plenty of discontent
for many of its points. In Baja California the one that worries the population the most is the increase of the VAT by 5%.
1) By increasing the taxes from 11% to 16%, the price of products would rise, and this would cause an increase of capital leaks from consumers who go
to the Untied States to purchase these items at a lower price, the increase would be about 30%, which would represent a net annual loss of 8k Million
Dollars.
2) The industrial sector threatens to leave the region, leaving thousands of people without a job
Fearing an economic coup for Baja California, Internet users have joined together in the social networks, some are just jokes, some are just outraged
by the possibility of this law being approved, but they all seem to agree on the development of Baja California becoming independent.
[Edited on 10-17-2013 by durrelllrobert]
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Could get interesting.
Why do Liberals insist and demand that achievers pay the way for nonachievers who are to lazy to succeed, or are just failures by their own choice?
Criminals prefer unarmed victims, dictators prefer unarmed subjects.
Why do ignorant people continue their blabbering when it only proves to others how stupid they are.
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Bob,
Interesting....Albertans raise that flag every once in a while, as I am sure you know.
"Not gonna happen" is what I think, but it gives the local politicos something to dream about...
Don't believe everything you think....
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Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
Bob,
Interesting....Albertans raise that flag every once in a while, as I am sure you know.
"Not gonna happen" is what I think, but it gives the local politicos something to dream about... |
Albertans don't want to become a separate country; they just want Quebec to succeed from Canada and become part of France
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That will be about as popular in the DF as BBQ whale meat at a Rainbow gathering.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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Bajacalifornians are talking about cessation
Hello Queridos Nomadas;
I was listening to Milenio radio 95.3 fm in Tijuana and they mention. A group of Bajacalifornianos want to become independent from Mexico. Baja
Norte's economy is the same as
either Uruguay or Paraguay 1 of the best economys in South America. It's in facebook and they say is going very strong.
(support). There is supposed to be a meeting this coming saturday and a march.
Todo por servir se acaba. Y acaba por no servir.
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Quote: | Originally posted by bajacalifornication
Hello Queridos Nomadas;
I was listening to Milenio radio 95.3 fm in Tijuana and they mention. A group of Bajacalifornianos want to become independent from Mexico. Baja
Norte's economy is the same as
either Uruguay or Paraguay 1 of the best economys in South America. It's in facebook and they say is going very strong.
(support). There is supposed to be a meeting this coming saturday and a march. |
PS: If you are not a citizen of Mexico, stand on the curb and watch the march go by.
[Edited on 10-17-2013 by bajaguy]
[Edited on 10-18-2013 by BajaNomad]
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In the museum, in La Paz:

From the Internet... http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/mx-rso.html

Republic of Lower California (Nov. 3, 1853-Jan. 21, 1854)
On October 17, 1853, William Walker fled from California toward La Paz, Baja California (Sur), on the Caroline. He reached Cabo San Lucas on October
28, then he went to La Paz where his 45-tripulation landed on November 3. Walker ordered to capture the city and its governor Colonel Espinosa. It is
important to say that to take the ciyt by surprise, Walker arrived La Paz flying the Mexican flag. After about half hour the filibusters took their
victims and rose the flag of the self-proclaimed Republic of Lower California. "Colonel" Walker appointed himself as President of the new republic
with the follwing speech:
"The Republic of Lower California is declared free, sovereign, and independent quitting since now on of its alliance with Mexico" .
William Walker adopted as a constitution one similar to that in effect in Louisiana, USA, then an pro-slavery constitution.
Three days later, Walker moved to Cabo San Lucas, for he wished to establish there the headquarters of his new government, other historians say, he
did because he knew Mexican troops went to La Paz to catch him. Anyway, he took prisoners Colonel Juan Clímaco Rebolledo and Espinosa. Once in Cabo
San Lucas (November 8), Walker moved again to Ensenada, (in the present-day State of Baja California Sur) (November 29).
Walker appointed Frederick Emory as his "Secretary of the Interior", and send him to San Diego, California, to get provisions and people to support
the cause. In San Diego, Frederick lift a recruitment office under the new flag of the "Republic of Lower California". On December 4, Lieutenant
Castillo Negrete and Antonio Melendres with 58 men came from Santo Tomás fighting Walker during eight days, however, both Melendres and Negrete
retreated after suffering many deaths.
Juan Manuel Gabino Villascán, Jan. 29, 2002
Republic of Sonora (Jan. 21, 1854 - May 7/8, 1854)
On January 21, 1854, Walker promulgated a decree, published in the San Diego Herald, on which the republic name was changed to Republic of Sonora with
two constituent states: Sonora and Baja California.
Due desertions and lack of provisions, Walker decide moving to San Vicente, where summoned the people and exhorted them to secede from Mexico in order
to protect region's actual interests under the US government support. William Walker and his men fled Baja California toward Sonora on March 20, 1854,
but were assaulted by Indians. In return to San Vicente, Walker was attacked by Melendres, being defeated. Walker fled from there (May 7) and crossed
the border giving himself up to General Henry S. Burton on May 8. Walker and his followers were taken to San Francisco.
Juan Manuel Gabino Villascán, Jan. 29, 2002
Flag of Walker's republic
The flag first hoisted in La Paz, Baja California, on November 3, 1854, when William Walker proclaimed the "Republic of Lower California". The flag
was also hoisted on the Recruitment office in San Diego, established by Frederick Emory, Walker's "Secretary of the Interior". When the republic name
changed on January 21, 1854, by Walker's decree, the flag did not suffer any change.
Such a flag consisted on three horizontal bands of red, white and red, with two red stars (one for Lower California and other for Sonora). According
to several drawings and engravings, the stars were six-pointed, but other sources say they were five-pointed. The flag is depicted in several
proportions.
Juan Manuel Gabino Villascán, Jan. 29, 2002
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Hi Bob, where did you see that flag? I would like to try and save it in my files... great history! Here is the flag of the last time the peninsula was
an independent republic, in a La Paz museum now:
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Baja independence movement goes from 4,000 members to 60,000 in less than a day
We are tired of this goverment that does not represent us, and we are not going to take it anymore.
https://www.facebook.com/bajaindependiente?fref=ts
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Does that mean they will automatically get green cards and free health care in the US?
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Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Does that mean they will automatically get green cards and free health care in the US? |
Nah! but your going to need different ones to be here
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Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Does that mean they will automatically get green cards and free health care in the US? |
no but it may be that all expats have to start their immigration paperwork all over for the new republic.
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Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Does that mean they will automatically get green cards and free health care in the US? |
no but it may be that all expats have to start their immigration paperwork all over for the new republic. |
Exactly, so be nice
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I have a feeling we will see a moderate increase in Military enforcement if things get out of hand
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Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I have a feeling we will see a moderate increase in Military enforcement if things get out of hand |
Yes, the Chinese will be invited to hang out in case of any problems
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Jesse,
The name of the street that I lived on in Hawaii was Chong. I assumed the guy was Chinese. Then someone told me an old bakery down the street used
to be a prisoner of war camp in WWII. I guess one had nothing to do with the other...when people make ridiculous mistakes about medicine do I poke
fun at them? No. So when are you guys gonna let go of this? Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I have a feeling we will see a moderate increase in Military enforcement if things get out of hand |
Yes, the Chinese will be invited to hang out in case of any problems
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Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Jesse,
The name of the street that I lived on in Hawaii was Chong. I assumed the guy was Chinese. Then someone told me an old bakery down the street used
to be a prisoner of war camp in WWII. I guess one had nothing to do with the other...when people make ridiculous mistakes about medicine do I poke
fun at them? No. So when are you guys gonna let go of this?
Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I have a feeling we will see a moderate increase in Military enforcement if things get out of hand |
Yes, the Chinese will be invited to hang out in case of any problems
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Let go of what?
[Edited on 10-18-2013 by BajaNomad]
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Less than an hour later, its 71,000
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