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rts551
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In Mexico, is the call for independence/cessation considered a crime?
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Barry A.
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Southern Oregon and N California have been trying to form the "State of Jefferson" for years with little success. I would support it, in both cases.
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aguachico
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it's amazing how dependent people are on facebook. Facebook is the biggest virus in IT today.
The topic sounds interesting. too bad it's infected.
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eyewww!!!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Southern Oregon and N California have been trying to form the "State of Jefferson" for years with little success. I would support it, in both cases.
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Geeze Looo Weeeze! How would they ever survive the acute prissiness??
EDZ....SoCal!!!
Ocean Beach, Borrego Springs, Baja
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EdZeranski
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Papeles Por Favor
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I have a feeling we will see a moderate increase in Military enforcement if things get out of hand |
There were a grunch military more running around Loreto today but thought it was because of the downed aircraft. The Chinese comment someone made
isn't all that unreasonable, they'd like a port here, Colonet perhaps. Geeze, the Chinese would hand Mexicans their butts in a bag.
EdZ
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EdZeranski
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Southern Oregon and N California have been trying to form the "State of Jefferson" for years with little success. I would support it, in both cases.
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Geeze Looo Weeeze! How would they ever survive the acute prissiness??
EDZ....SoCal!!!
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Rednecks are Prissy?????  We ain't talking the "Bay Area" here. 
Barry
[Edited on 10-18-2013 by Barry A.]
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David K
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Jesse, would they really keep Baja in the name?
The movement in the mid 70's was to rename the (new) state of Baja California Sur to 'SudCalifornia' and Baja California (Norte) to 'Juarez'.
The feeling then was who wants to be 'Lower' or Below California...
The Sudcalifornia idea (Southern California) was worthy, because Baja California was just 'California' FIRST! Next it was known as Antigua (Old)
California (1769 with the move into Nueva California)... then Antigua California changed to Baja California... which became a separate political unit
in 1804.
However, the popularity and world-wide fame of 'BAJA' seems to have squashed the un-Baja name ideas?
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Jesse, would they really keep Baja in the name?
The movement in the mid 70's was to rename the (new) state of Baja California Sur to 'SudCalifornia' and Baja California (Norte) to 'Juarez'.
The feeling then was who wants to be 'Lower' or Below California...
The Sudcalifornia idea (Southern California) was worthy, because Baja California was just 'California' FIRST! Next it was known as Antigua (Old)
California (1769 with the move into Nueva California)... then Antigua California changed to Baja California... which became a separate political unit
in 1804.
However, the popularity and world-wide fame of 'BAJA' seems to have squashed the un-Baja name ideas? |
I think Baja Abajo has a nice ring to it, along with Baja Arriba
Bob Durrell
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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¡Jajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja!
I showed the independence movement proclamation above to folks here in the Miramar Store, and it caused an uproar...
¡Ojala!
¡Orale!
¡Andele!
"They rob us, they tax us, they regulate and tell us what to do, but we receive no apoyo, no services, no representation!"
This was from customers and visitors. Thought you'd like to know how the locals down here feel about a movement like this.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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rts551
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Makes for good jabbering, and a good distraction, but ain't gonna happen.
[Edited on 10-18-2013 by rts551]
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Mexitron
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If it goes independent Baja could get developed a lot faster...not so good for us explorer types. I'm thinking they'd be more under the U.S. sphere
of influence.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Economics 101
It's the RATIO of funds collected versus services and money returned that people are complaining about. Sure if a person ate magic mushrooms and
imagined an ungoverned anarchy to administer the peninsula, yeah, the people in La Paz would lose their flow of Pay 100 in, get 2 back paychecks. But
it's the politicos in D.F. who suck things dry like a vampire in a blood bank. LOOK AROUND YOU IN SAN LUCAS. Where does all that money go? Yeah, the
nice parks, and landscaping. Big huricanes and what does the government do? Ask for donations.
I hope this movement scares the hell out of EPN the senadores and diputados but it probably isn't even being noticed.
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mtgoat666
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The new govt for the penninsula should be a constitutional monarchy. i shall be the monarch. name of the new nation will be goatlandia. all bow to
the goat!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
"They rob us, they tax us, they regulate and tell us what to do, but we receive no apoyo, no services, no representation!" |
Hmmmmmmmm, sounds just like the US
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
"They rob us, they tax us, they regulate and tell us what to do, but we receive no apoyo, no services, no representation!" |
Any idea what percentage of payroll in the La Paz area, comes from Federation funds? Or how it compares to federal taxes collected from the area?
Note that I didn't mention Los Cabos, which is mostly a funnel for foreign tourist money... |
I have always marveled at how nice & beautiful Chetumal is as the Capitol of Quintana Roo, utilizing all that tax money from the boom town of
Cancun. It happens everywhere.
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
Economics 101
It's the RATIO of funds collected versus services and money returned that people are complaining about. Sure if a person ate magic mushrooms and
imagined an ungoverned anarchy to administer the peninsula, yeah, the people in La Paz would lose their flow of Pay 100 in, get 2 back paychecks. But
it's the politicos in D.F. who suck things dry like a vampire in a blood bank. LOOK AROUND YOU IN SAN LUCAS. Where does all that money go? Yeah, the
nice parks, and landscaping. Big huricanes and what does the government do? Ask for donations.
I hope this movement scares the hell out of EPN the senadores and diputados but it probably isn't even being noticed. |
I can tell you that the government is returning a significant ratio in the form of highway building here in the cape region.
Hundreds of millions have been spent in the last few years on making the highway from Lapaz to Cabo into four lanes with all new bridges, a bypass
road around Todos Santos, a new highway from north of Cabo to the airport, street repaving projects in La Paz, Todos Santos, Los Cabos, etc.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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DavidE
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How much in taxes, revenues are generated yearly between La Paz and Los Cabos. How many years of these revenues passed before Mex 19 was "improved"?
Of course as in the USA, highway workers make $30.00 hour, land costs 100,000 dollars an acre, and think of all that "imported" asphalt.
Perhaps you vastly underestimate the amount of US Dollars that flow in (and out) of that area, yearly.
Foggy Bottom isn't much better. Our government is absolutely isolated from the wants and needs of the population. Totally disconnected. The "ability"
to survive, and survival means life or death, on Social Security, is missing. I cannot rent the cheapest 1 bdr apartment, I cannot even come CLOSE to
paying the cost of rent with my entire check. A fact like THAT was not true 20-years ago.
DF politicos are enjoying a champagne lifestyle while prices keep rising.
100 pesos an hour? Surely you jest...
Divided and calculated correctly per 8 hour workday my pension comes to 52 pesos an hour. And I have to help my kids on the mainland. The tropical
storm destroyed their business.
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Hook
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So, how's Baja set for some of the basics, if they break away?
Things like crude oil, refined gasoline and diesel...........oh, yeah, and what about essentials like beer breweries and tequila distilleries?
I think Bajatistas need to think this through a little more.
Of course, DavidE would quickly corner the kosher pickle market in Baja. 
[Edited on 10-18-2013 by Hook]
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JESSE
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Any page that gets 100k people saying they had enough should get the attention of the fools down in central Mexico. The page will eventually grow to
about 10% of the population, and thats a lot of angry folks to worry about.
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Secceed.... become independent, attack the US....surrender, and get mountains of foreign aid to rebuild:
The Raton that Roared.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mouse_That_Roared
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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