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prt328
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Big changes in Baja?
Besides the tax rate going up to 16% - same as the mainland - I hear a number of other things are changing as well and the Baja is no longer
considered Frontera?
One of the biggest changes I heard is that cars will soon require TIP's like the mainland. Those of us with Permanent Resident status will have to
import our South Dakota plated cars since we would not be able to get a TIP. If that's the case I wonder what happens to the other "rules" regarding
importation (older than 5 years, newer than 10) and if they will apply? Since most of the importation companies are in the border towns are we all
going to have to take a road trip??
As usual, the rumor mill is cranked up and it's very difficult to get any kind of "official" read on this. Any have any more info?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by prt328
Besides the tax rate going up to 16% - same as the mainland - I hear a number of other things are changing as well and the Baja is no longer
considered Frontera?
One of the biggest changes I heard is that cars will soon require TIP's like the mainland. Those of us with Permanent Resident status will have to
import our South Dakota plated cars since we would not be able to get a TIP. If that's the case I wonder what happens to the other "rules" regarding
importation (older than 5 years, newer than 10) and if they will apply? Since most of the importation companies are in the border towns are we all
going to have to take a road trip??
As usual, the rumor mill is cranked up and it's very difficult to get any kind of "official" read on this. Any have any more info?
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That's a big enough rumour that if it had any 'juice', it'd be reported in actual newspapers—and I haven't seen anything like that. El Vigia,
Frontera, Zeta... all silent on the issue.
I tend to think it's crap; they're not going to stem the flood of people visiting Baja California by forcing them to do TIPs, even if they didn't
enforce it until Maneadero. There would be protest signs everywhere, and while there are signs complaining about the 16% tax, they center on the fact
that they're not getting anything for that extra 5%.
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It would be interesting to know where you heard the rumor about the possibility of TIP's being required in Baja. It would be interesting to follow
where the rumor came from.
I sure hope it was just a rumor.
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This Satueday in Loreto, a Mexican attorney is giving a lecture (in English) regarding the new laws and regulations. I notice tax and importation are
two of the agenda items. If I get any news I'll report.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ncampion
This Satueday in Loreto, a Mexican attorney is giving a lecture (in English) regarding the new laws and regulations. I notice tax and importation are
two of the agenda items. If I get any news I'll report. |
Thanks, that will be a good things. I wonder if he will also talk at all about the possible change in the property ownership laws.
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I guess it's more than a rumor now. Baja Insider reports over 50 U.S. cars were confiscated at the Cabo airport because they were not imported and
were owned by Permanent Residents. I guess I'll have to get my South Dakota car imported!
Worse than that is I drove my RV down (with Calif. plates) and want to get it back home in May. Does that mean I have to import it now and export it
when I bring it back to the States??? Assuming it doesn't get impounded along the way!
Always something to keep us busy....
Here's the Baja Insider article (I guess it's okay to link to it?)
http://bajainsider.com/baja-business/importingregisteringveh...
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That's pretty strange. I've not heard of vehicles belonging to permanente holder being confiscated over here and we are in a free zone, too.
But maybe they just havent started checking over here, yet.
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Jajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja...........
The tax wasn't going up either. Ya know the "military" puesto de control south of Maneadero, the one that isn't manned....?
Los Diputados and Senadores are wrestling with Hacienda about how and when to allow "Frontera" cars to be nationalized. The big deal is about fees,
transition times and enforcement, not "if" the placas nationalizados are going to become mandatory.
Ya think gobernacion is going to shoot their mouth off about a forthcoming taxing stunt? The issue now is to keep northern B.C. totally paperwork free
and not impose the "Sonora Only" crappola that goes on across the gulf.
The hogs at the trough in gobernacion know they are missing out on tens of millions of dollar of loot, oops excuse me, revenue, by allowing renegade
cars to run around Baja California and Baja California Sur.
Nacionalizacion is going to cause an uproar. The sole question is whether PRIISTAS think they can weather the storm without endangering their chances
of enjoying another sexenio at the hog trough. Los Bajas are not exactly a political powerhouse. Sort of like being afraid of North Dakota.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by prt328
I guess it's more than a rumor now. Baja Insider reports over 50 U.S. cars were confiscated at the Cabo airport because they were not imported and
were owned by Permanent Residents.
Here's the Baja Insider article (I guess it's okay to link to it?)
http://bajainsider.com/baja-business/importingregisteringveh... |
I'm really surprised that I haven't read about those seizures anywhere else.
I'll believe it when I read on a website that isn't trying to sell me on importing my vehicle.
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ncampion
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by ncampion
This Satueday in Loreto, a Mexican attorney is giving a lecture (in English) regarding the new laws and regulations. I notice tax and importation are
two of the agenda items. If I get any news I'll report. |
Thanks, that will be a good things. I wonder if he will also talk at all about the possible change in the property ownership laws.
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He will be addressing this issue as well. It's a two hour lecture with an additional hour for Q&A. I will try to bring up the topic of this
thread and see what he says. Here's the flyer.
CONFERENCE ON IMPORTANT EXISTING & NEW LAWS in Mexico covering important existing and new laws regarding:
1. Immigration law & by-law as it stands since implementation in 2012;
2. Custom law re importation of all goods of one who lives in Mexico.
3. Laws and by-laws on requirement for Insurances, local driver´s licenses and plates while driving in Mexico;
4. Fideicomiso Traslativo de Dominio contracts, the new decision by IRS USA, new legislation to abolish them; Legal Value of FTD contracts made by
a Corridor Publico; FTD contract vs Escritura.
5. New ISR tax law re: requiring all RESIDENTS to declare, New Capital Gain Tax rules and New State tax upon selling real estate,
6. Property taxes discounts;
7. New law to prevent money laundering and suspected operations;
8. New requirements when one represents another by Mandate (POA) (This applies to everyone including real estate vendors);
9. New law on Responsibility re the environment;
10. New law on Universal pension;
11. New Law on unemployment insurance.
Speaker: LIC. JACQUES-EDOUARD BEAULNE, LL.B. D.D.N., Author, Law Professor, Lawyer and Speaker.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ncampion
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by ncampion
This Satueday in Loreto, a Mexican attorney is giving a lecture (in English) regarding the new laws and regulations. I notice tax and importation are
two of the agenda items. If I get any news I'll report. |
Thanks, that will be a good things. I wonder if he will also talk at all about the possible change in the property ownership laws.
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He will be addressing this issue as well. It's a two hour lecture with an additional hour for Q&A. I will try to bring up the topic of this
thread and see what he says. Here's the flyer.
CONFERENCE ON IMPORTANT EXISTING & NEW LAWS in Mexico covering important existing and new laws regarding:
1. Immigration law & by-law as it stands since implementation in 2012;
2. Custom law re importation of all goods of one who lives in Mexico.
3. Laws and by-laws on requirement for Insurances, local driver´s licenses and plates while driving in Mexico;
4. Fideicomiso Traslativo de Dominio contracts, the new decision by IRS USA, new legislation to abolish them; Legal Value of FTD contracts made by
a Corridor Publico; FTD contract vs Escritura.
5. New ISR tax law re: requiring all RESIDENTS to declare, New Capital Gain Tax rules and New State tax upon selling real estate,
6. Property taxes discounts;
7. New law to prevent money laundering and suspected operations;
8. New requirements when one represents another by Mandate (POA) (This applies to everyone including real estate vendors);
9. New law on Responsibility re the environment;
10. New law on Universal pension;
11. New Law on unemployment insurance.
Speaker: LIC. JACQUES-EDOUARD BEAULNE, LL.B. D.D.N., Author, Law Professor, Lawyer and Speaker. |
A lot of territory to be covered and all of it is important!
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Not Saturday
Date: Sunday, Jan. 26th,
Hour: 2 PM at HOTEL LORETO BAY GOLF RESORT AND SPA
The conference has a 2 hour duration plus a one hour period for Q&A. Limited seating, Each person /couple will receive via e-mail an admission
number.
Cost: 15.00 US$ / Single; 25.00 US$ / Couple.
200 Pesos / single; 337. Pesos / couple
Payment at entrance.
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The ones I like best are the proposed federal tax initiatives to assess a 6% IVA on all ATM transactions with extraneous bank cards and a 4% IVA on
deposits made in a Mexican bank with foreign funds.
Just for the single syllable crowd, these are proposals that are being discussed in the vast halls of Hacienda (SAT SHCP) in Mexico City. It does not
mean they will be enacted EVER.
THE MOST FEARED TERRORISTS ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH
An Iraqi with an AK 47
A Chechen with an armload of dynamite
An Afghan with grenades
A man dressed in a suit and tie carrying a briefcase with a SHCP logo on it.
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On another message board from Mainland Mexico auto to be nationalized must be no later than 2005 and NAFTA approved vehicle.....
Many cars have been confiscated in and around the Puerto Vallarta area .........
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Woa,
The TVIP issue is why I'm here. Are there current changes?
I'm headed south on motos in 4 weeks, no plans for a TVIP on 2008 motos at this point.
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INto the Mainland or Baja
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
The ones I like best are the proposed federal tax initiatives to assess a 6% IVA on all ATM transactions with extraneous bank cards and a 4% IVA on
deposits made in a Mexican bank with foreign funds. |
That would create an exodus of foreign income that would be staggering.
And all because Mexico can't get it together to collect income tax because so much of the economy exists on the gray or black market. And because
Mexicans don't take government bureaucracy seriously 'cause there is always someone low on the enforcement ladder that can be bribed into ignoring
them.
Notice how most all the recent and proposed changes/enforcements to tax laws are targeted at non-nationals? So very politically easy. Even the
leftists in Mexico love it.
I'm sure there are foil hatters out there that must see this as more preliminaries for the introduction of the NERO, or whatever it's supposed to be
called. Get the rich, extranjeros screaming for change and present them with the solution; the NERO.
OK, now I'm starting to sound like Cappy.....must be this cheap Russian aluminum foil flooding the markets. 
[Edited on 1-24-2014 by Hook]
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This is what happens when you arm a typewriter carbon copy bureaucratic society with computers with databases. Take a look at what's happening with
pleasure craft on the
http://www.latitude38.com
Website, the "Lectronic Latitude".
My "source" is a friend. I gave a blood oath promise to never so much as give a hint as to his identity. He is a Delagado Federal and not here on the
peninsula. "He" and I converse on the telephone a few times a month. He is a progressive and he is honest. I know that for a fact by his standard of
living. Deeply religious - he loathes corruption and knows the owner of Farmacias Similares. If it weren't for the fact he is top dog in his state he
would have been gone long ago. He knows where a lot of skeletons are buried and so has a precarious existence. He is also astute with knowledge
outside his agency. He gnashes his teeth with the incompetence exhibited by Mexico.
But I fear, really fear the Partidad Instituto Estupido is going to come down hard as hell to scrounge yet more revenue. The PAN tried to impose a tax
on groceries and medicine and they nearly got lynched (a not insignificant reason why the lost the election, the other being having a woman as
president would outrage the macho legislature, christ they might have even enacted federal law to stop wife beating).
xxxxx told me the midnight oil is burning in D.F. about how to levy taxes on the privileged outlaws on the Baja peninsula. Gringos have money. So
let's separate the wheat from the chaff - two thousand a month AFTER taxes minimum to stay in Mexico full time. Excelsior quoted a bunch of drunk
senadores in Cantcun ("Screw the gringos, let them come, dump a hundred thousand pesos in a week and then get them the hell out of Mexico").
If I weren't a citizen, and had an extraneous automobile, I sure as hell would consider getting FRONTERA plates on it, right away. When the time comes
to "adjust" FRONTERA to NACIONAL a person would stand a chance of not losing their butt. A prime 4X4 with national plates is worth a fortune. The time
is coming outside the border zone when a car with foreign plates will pass through a reten. The driver damned well better have a valid driver license
that agrees with nationality. A car permit is only good as long as the FMM is valid. Most people will be paying the 400 dollar Banjercito deposit plus
a forty dollar Aduana (SHCP) fee.
When I read how little percentage wise Mexico (the capitol) regards the importance of tourism (as compared to mining, manufacturing and agriculture) I
thought to myself (oooh shi.....). When the movie star and her husband took the keys to Los Pinos, I knew things were going to get dicey. The
dinosaurs are back and they require lots and lots of green blood.
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Here is a link to the website for the lawyer giving the presentation in Loreto:
http://can-am-mex.com/
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Jacques-Edouard Beaulne = Fast Eddy who was banned from Baja Nomads
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=47463
He also hosted a similar seminar in La Paz recently. Sounds like he's travelling around the Baja Sur stirring the rumor pot and creating fear. Like a
doctor spreading illness and selling the cure.
He doesn't strike me as a particularly trustworthy fellow...
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