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Mexitron
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bacquito
It seems that the new method of extracting oil from shale and sand extraction could be revolucionary and reduce our dependency on foreign oil-I hope
so because I was working for a company in New England area in the '70s and remember the embargo and the pain and insecurity it caused.
However, if pet. products become real cheap what happens to companies such as Shell, Chevron and all the employees? Surely we will continue to need
pet. products but they will be more likely produced in our "backyard" and we will not need so many workers. |
Extracting from shale and tar sands is cost effective only while oil is as high priced as it is now---very energy intensive to extract that stuff.
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bacquito
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
| Quote: | Originally posted by bacquito
It seems that the new method of extracting oil from shale and sand extraction could be revolucionary and reduce our dependency on foreign oil-I hope
so because I was working for a company in New England area in the '70s and remember the embargo and the pain and insecurity it caused.
However, if pet. products become real cheap what happens to companies such as Shell, Chevron and all the employees? Surely we will continue to need
pet. products but they will be more likely produced in our "backyard" and we will not need so many workers. |
Extracting from shale and tar sands is cost effective only while oil is as high priced as it is now---very energy intensive to extract that stuff.
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technology will improve (hopefully!) and the cost will go down
bacquito
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
I haven't seen anywhere is this ongoing ******* contest a mention of the body subsidy..... how many soldiers' and civilians' lives have gone into
maintaining fuel supplies?
Boy, if we had such huge resources available in the USA what would happen to the massive military complex? |
If we all conserved, rode bikes, walked to the store, kicked our obesity and drove fuel efficient cars, we would need less fuel and the cheney's of
the world would send fewer of our children onto the battle field to be canon fodder to fulfill our addiction to petroleum.
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tripledigitken
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Goat,
Please posts photos from your next bicycle trip to Baja.
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
I haven't seen anywhere is this ongoing ******* contest a mention of the body subsidy..... how many soldiers' and civilians' lives have gone into
maintaining fuel supplies?
Boy, if we had such huge resources available in the USA what would happen to the massive military complex? |
If we all conserved, rode bikes, walked to the store, kicked our obesity and drove fuel efficient cars, we would need less fuel and the cheney's of
the world would send fewer of our children onto the battle field to be canon fodder to fulfill our addiction to petroleum. |
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The Goat is headed for a commune, where they drive lawnmower powered mini cars, ride bicycles, and set around all day singing Kumbaya.
Great philosophical idea but it has never worked and probably won't but I sure wish he would try and then report back to us.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
The Goat is headed for a commune, where they drive lawnmower powered mini cars, ride bicycles, and set around all day singing Kumbaya.
Great philosophical idea but it has never worked and probably won't but I sure wish he would try and then report back to us. |
Hey, sounds like you gave up in life and settled for chit.
I won't settle for the USA sending teenagers to die for oil, when there are alternatives to using children as cannon fodder to get our fix of oil.
If you support our troops, the don't waste petroleum. If you waste petroleum, you DO NOT support our troops!
Do you drive a gas hog? How many kids died for your oil? I lost count of how many died for you in Iraq.
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David K
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Afghanistan isn't an oil producing country... 
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Afghanistan isn't an oil producing country...
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Dk:
Stanland was not the subject, please stay on topic!
But since you already changed topic, what the hey. Tell us why many 10s of thousands of civilians and coalition forces have died in Stanland, I
really want to know.
To me it seems like such a pointless quagmire, and no one remembers why we entered or what we are fighting for, and pity the afghanis that have had
their country destroyed and have lost another generation and learned to hate another occupier. I don't see our occupation was any better than the
soviet occupation,... Just same result, more people dead, and another generation of kids resentful toward an occupying force.
Peace, love and fish tacos!
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Shawndy
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Boy this thread went off the rails
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Shawndy
Boy this thread went off the rails |
They have a tendency to do that after five pages of repeated redundancies. 
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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chuckie
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10-4 Dennis....
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KurtG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Afghanistan isn't an oil producing country...
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No but 60% of their GDP is from the Heroin trade as opposed to almost zero before we went in. So instead of fighting for oil we have supported the
drug trade. Unintended consequences and all that. Here is one veteran who doesn't believe either of our recent wars was worth the costs.
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David K
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I think the intent was to fight the terrorists where they were based, instead of here in America. Of course, things don't always go as planned by the
government.
So, why hasn't the 'great leader' pulled the U.S. out, yet???
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KurtG
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Afghanistan isn't an oil producing country...
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No but 60% of their GDP is from the Heroin trade as opposed to almost zero before we went in. So instead of fighting for oil we have supported the
drug trade. Unintended consequences and all that. Here is one veteran who doesn't believe either of our recent wars was worth the costs.
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How do you tell a mother that her son died for the protection of the world's leading heroin business?
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CIA
Cocaine International Avation ....The Us Gov doesn't care if you do drugs !! But cares about about Whos drugs your doing!! The"war on drugs" is Such
a Sad,,Bad crime against the folks of the USA...I HAVE SEEN PICS IN NICKY" OF MARINE PLANES BEING LOADED (OLYS point)... AFTER 4/5 MONTHS OF GETTING
TO KNOW THE LOCAL BOYS !! if I NEVER POST AGAIN.....YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPEND TO ME !! k&t
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I think the intent was to fight the terrorists where they were based, instead of here in America. Of course, things don't always go as planned by the
government.
So, why hasn't the 'great leader' pulled the U.S. out, yet??? |
As Hillary said in Mexico City regarding legalizing drugs in the U.S. so Mexico would not have it's drug related problems "No, there's too much money
in it".
She was referring to the money made in the U.S. through all sources.
Capt. talked again of "Ollie's Point" on a post above.
I was turned back in Mexico City on the same TJ airplane I had come in on by a rep of American Consulate and escorted back to La Linea with my camera
equipment denied transfer to Managua then.
captkw is right-on. Goes on all the time. I saw it while in SEA (Laos) coming out in American aircraft.
Drugs, their origin, transfer, sale, control, is a big part of war, as is oil.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I think the intent was to fight the terrorists where they were based, instead of here in America. Of course, things don't always go as planned by the
government.
So, why hasn't the 'great leader' pulled the U.S. out, yet??? |
Assuming you voted, and didn't vote for Gore, we can safely say that "things don't always go as planned" by the despicable piece of crap YOU VOTED
FOR. To the President's credit he has managed to get us out of one of George W Bush's and your unfunded wars. I'll put Obama's leadership up against
that abject failure you supported any day. By every objective measure Obama will be recorded as a superior president to every Republican since
Eisenhower.
As it stands now, Obama is ranked 15th. best, your boy Bush is 39th. out of 43. Great leader you voted for.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I think the intent was to fight the terrorists where they were based, instead of here in America. Of course, things don't always go as planned by the
government.
So, why hasn't the 'great leader' pulled the U.S. out, yet??? |
Assuming you voted, and didn't vote for Gore, we can safely say that "things don't always go as planned" by the despicable piece of crap YOU VOTED
FOR. To the President's credit he has managed to get us out of one of George W Bush's and your unfunded wars. I'll put Obama's leadership up against
that abject failure you supported any day. By every objective measure Obama will be recorded as a superior president to every Republican since
Eisenhower.
As it stands now, Obama is ranked 15th. best, your boy Bush is 39th. out of 43. Great leader you voted for. |
GWB, Americas foolish experiment with nepotism. How did that turn out for you? 100s of millions of people in the USA and you could only find one
candidate, the c-student, alcoholic son of the former president?
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David K
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You two love socialism so much that the constitution being trashed doesn't bug you at all? I just have a higher regard for people over government. You
just can't let W. go either, can you?
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You two love socialism so much that the constitution being trashed doesn't bug you at all? I just have a higher regard for people over government. You
just can't let W. go either, can you? |
David, it bugs me that you don't hold the Constitution in higher regard....if you don't understand my statement....maybe ask a school teacher...aka
socialist employee/union thug....
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