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David K
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Yup, I can think of one time I got less than perfect service at many Mexican businesses... I don't let it ruin my trip or persuade me to tarnish their
business over it.
Antonio has remodeled restrooms, honest pumps, and is trying to have an emergency rescue service for anyone who might need it.
Los Pinos (the Rodriguez Tomato Growing Millionaires) don't have this kind of assistance I am aware of... nor have gone WAY over the top to help
people in need (like Itzela's heart operation, Nomads breaking down, or other such 'human' activities).
So yes, I am enthusiastic to recommend Baja Cactus to everyone who travels through or to El Rosario. I have also promoted Jardines, where my wife and
I had our 1 year anniversary dinner, with photos. I have also shown the gardens there in photos in my trip report of the past. Jardines doesn't offer
an emergency ambulance service either... However Antonio's will come to Jardines if you fall from their stairs or have some other accident.
See the Desert Hawks thread: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=71485
Desert Hawks... Non Profit rescue group in El Rosario:
Emergencies: (616) 103-0262
Local Police Station: (616) 165-8858
BajaCactus: (616) 165-8850 / From the US: (1-619) 694-1082
Cruz Roja San Quintín: (616) 165-3637
Contact info:
Antonio Muñoz
info*at*deserthawksrescue.com
Desert Hawks is on Facebook Page
[Edited on 8-2-2014 by BajaNomad]
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yup, I can think of one time I got less than perfect service at many Mexican businesses... I don't let it ruin my trip or persuade me to tarnish their
business over it.
Antonio has remodeled restrooms, honest pumps, and is trying to have an emergency rescue service for anyone who might need it.
Los Pinos (the Rodriguez Tomato Growing Millionaires) don't have this kind of assistance I am aware of... nor have gone WAY over the top to help
people in need (like Itzela's heart operation, Nomads breaking down, or other such 'human' activities).
So yes, I am enthusiastic to recommend Baja Cactus to everyone who travels through or to El Rosario. I have also promoted Jardines, where my wife and
I had our 1 year anniversary dinner, with photos. I have also shown the gardens there in photos in my trip report of the past. Jardines doesn't offer
an emergency ambulance service either... However Antonio's will come to Jardines if you fall from their stairs or have some other accident.
See the Desert Hawks thread: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=71485
Desert Hawks... Non Profit rescue group in El Rosario:
Emergencies: (616) 103-0262
Local Police Station: (616) 165-8858
BajaCactus: (616) 165-8850 / From the US: (1-619) 694-1082
Cruz Roja San Quintín: (616) 165-3637
Contact info:
Antonio Muñoz
info*at*deserthawksrescue.com
Desert Hawks is on Facebook Page |
give it a rest David. The los Pinos owners and employees (as well as others) do a lot for their community. Maybe you should visit the museum they put
in sometime. I will bet that Antonio would fill you in on the multitude of people who are very generous and help others in the San Quintin Valley.
Just ask him since you are so close
[Edited on 8-2-2014 by BajaNomad]
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David K
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Ralph, you and HowOdd may enjoy countering anything positive I post about Mexicans I know, but I will not stop providing good news no matter how bad
you two want to make things to be.
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Bajahowodd
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I am absolutely not interested in "countering anything positive I post about Mexicans I know".
I am simply letting folks know my own personal experiences where I stop for food, fuel and overnight lodging.
I have no interest in doing business with the guy who lives in Tijuana and let's his employees run their own game of begging because he doesn't pay
them enough.
And, as rts551 noted, the Los Pinos folks have literally generated tons of jobs that has lifted the economy of the Valle de San Quintin, and as a side
note, created awful traffic for those of us traveling through,
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Alan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
TOP TIER FUEL DOES NOT CONTAIN ETHANOL. Oh pretty please post an image of a Chevron or Shell dispenser that has the mandatory CONTAINS ETHANOL on it.
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As a boat owner this discussion really interested me. I have gotten so used to seeing those little placards
about "can contain up to 10% ethanol" they soon stopped catching my attention and I just assumed that ALL California fuel contained ethanol and was
required by the CARB. When I was in FL last year there were stations everywhere advertising non-ethanol fuel for boaters and I was wishing it was
available here in CA.
Your post got me curious so I filled at a Chevron yesterday. You were right... no label indicating addition of ethanol! So when I got home I did a
Google search and learned the following:
1. Ethanol was required by the CARB but that requirement exceeded it's sunset clause without being re-newed so its technically not required.
2. California does not require labeling of fuels containing ethanol.
3. In one forum someone got a response direct from Shell Oil who responded that ALL their fuel contains ethanol.
Based on this I stand by my statement that you can't buy non-ethanol fuel in CA unless it is specifically offered by a station and then you can expect
to pay significantyly more per gallon.
For those who want to challenge my assessment they say a reasonably priced test kit is available that will quickly resolve any questions you have but
short of that I will just assume that ALL gas in CA contains ethanol.
If someone finds a station that sells non-ethanol fuel as a standard practice please share that info. I know you will have a lot of interested
boaters. One of the big problems for boaters is that the fuel ages quickly and the ethnaol and gasoline can seperate within just a few weeks. Since
boaters typically aren't burning through fuel at the rate one does in a car this seperation becomes a real problem which many try to adress with
additives such as Sta-bil or Ring Free.
In Memory of E-57
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chavycha
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Find a small general aviation airport that sells 91 octane- that will not have any ethanol.
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captkw
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Calif. gas with ETH !!
all gas sold in gas stations and marina's have 10 percent ETH or more...if you want to learn more on the subject check "Phase separation" in your
browser.. Baja gas is Much better (today/now) than the calif gas..."Chavycha" towing your boat into a airport is not like going to a 711 !! most have
gates and the fuel is blue and red...if I remember correctly and not cheap...Again there is NO non ETH gas avable in calif........stabil wont help and
"ring free is for decarboning the rings on a piston and has nothing to do with this subject !!....K&T
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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I guess a friend Terry McCallan who works at the Chevron Richmond refinery is nuts. He works at the gasoline finishing plant where MDA (metal
deactivator), and the urea additives are injected into the fuel. Take a sample YOURself, One quart, in a clear jar. Drip ten droplets of water into
the sample. Note how they sit on the bottom of the glass container. Seal the lid. Shake for a half minute. Let rest 5-minutes. Do you see the droplets
now? If no, the fuel contains at least 5% ethanol or methanol. If the droplets are still there, the fuel contains no ethanol or methanol.
When I was attending college I worked at the Shell Oil Co, Martinez refinery (MTZ) in LOP. At the gasoline blending unit. When tetra-ethyl lead
additive was still in vogue (incredibly poisonous).
AVIATION FUEL
Can only be dispensed into an aircraft using a MANIFEST and the transaction is recorded and documented. I listened in on a story told by an old Baja
Bush Pilot who stated it was a nightmare to get fuel in Loreto for an aircraft that had landed at the Serinidad airport because of a fuel leak. Don
Johnson was in on the conversation. If you try to purchase aircraft fuel you will hear the same information.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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captkw
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DavidE
Martinez,, A fine place to live..LOL..from what Ive sreached on the net about finding non Eth gas at stations in calif is that its not being sold...do
you know of a station around Monterey bay were I might find some a non Eth gas station ???? Btw did you get the meds ??? K&T
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SlyOnce
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5 pesos is plenty of a tip for filling the gas and washing the front window. If services go beyond that I might go up. Sometimes I throw in a few
extra loose "monedas" 1 or 2 peso coins rolling around in the tray.
There is no need to grossly overtip in Baja.
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Alan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
....stabil wont help and "ring free is for decarboning the rings on a piston and has nothing to do with this subject !!....K&T
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Which is why I stated many "try" to address those issues in that manner.
In Memory of E-57
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captkw
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Alan
" Roger" "good copy on All"
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David K
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Top Tier CA gasoline ETHANOL label image for Dahveed
| Quote: | Originally posted by Alan
| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
TOP TIER FUEL DOES NOT CONTAIN ETHANOL.
Oh pretty please post an image of a Chevron or Shell dispenser that has the mandatory CONTAINS ETHANOL on it.
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As a boat owner this discussion really interested me. I have gotten so used to seeing those little placards about "can contain up to 10% ethanol"
they soon stopped catching my attention and I just assumed that ALL California fuel contained ethanol and was required by the CARB. When I was in FL
last year there were stations everywhere advertising non-ethanol fuel for boaters and I was wishing it was available here in CA.
Your post got me curious so I filled at a Chevron yesterday. You were right... no label indicating addition of ethanol! So when I got home I did a
Google search and learned the following:
1. Ethanol was required by the CARB but that requirement exceeded it's sunset clause without being re-newed so its technically not required.
2. California does not require labeling of fuels containing ethanol.
3. In one forum someone got a response direct from Shell Oil who responded that ALL their fuel contains ethanol.
Based on this I stand by my statement that you can't buy non-ethanol fuel in CA unless it is specifically offered by a station and then you can expect
to pay significantyly more per gallon.
For those who want to challenge my assessment they say a reasonably priced test kit is available that will quickly resolve any questions you have but
short of that I will just assume that ALL gas in CA contains ethanol.
If someone finds a station that sells non-ethanol fuel as a standard practice please share that info. I know you will have a lot of interested
boaters. One of the big problems for boaters is that the fuel ages quickly and the ethnaol and gasoline can seperate within just a few weeks. Since
boaters typically aren't burning through fuel at the rate one does in a car this seperation becomes a real problem which many try to adress with
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The pump:
The label:
Sorry Dahveed, things have changed in the USA. This was taken this past week at a Shell station in San Marcos, CA. I really wish I could find ethanol
free gasoline so I would burn LESS fuel, get better mileage, and pollute less because ethanol is bad for engines... It should be left in corn for
animals and people to eat!
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Ateo
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Ethanol = better air quality. It oxygenates the fuel and allows the fuel to burn more completely, therefore cleaner emissions.
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David K
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Jon, you are the gasoline guy, but it lowers the fuel energy by diluting gasoline with alcohol and I know my gas mileage suffers. So, how does burning
more fuel improve air quality? I use 10-15% more fuel in California than in ethanol-free Baja to drive the same distance.
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Alan
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I suspect it has much more to do with providing a market for American corn than improving the environment.
In Memory of E-57
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BajaDanD
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you are not gonna be on a freeway where you need to watch for gas stations off the off ramps you are gonna be on a two lane road where everything is
right there. don't worry you cant miss them. Just make sure you top off in El Rosario.
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Marc
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I used to carry extra 30 gal gas. Now 10 gal just in case.
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