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[*] posted on 6-17-2014 at 08:52 AM
cleaner Rio in Mulege?


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La Paz, Baja California Sur -. Attendant Agency of the Potable Water and Sewerage Municipality of Mulege, was inspected on June 4, when detecting that drove the black waters of the lift station to the Mulege River at imminent risk public health and ecological imbalance, hence as a security measure and according to the National Water Law and the General Law of Ecological Equilibrium and Environmental Protection, has been immediately suspended the discharge of wastewater.

This was announced by the Federal Office of PROFEPA in Baja California Sur, to point out that according to the Federal Administrative Procedure Act proceeded to temporary total closure of the polluting source, given the concerns of the citizens of this community as well as the productive sectors of the municipality, demanding urgent security needs at the approach of the rainy season, hence the closure of the polluting source as a measure of protection for public health

The delegate of the PROFEPA in Baja California Sur, Santa Ana Valerio Castro said there full conviction promptly address all issues relevant to the environment in the communities, so that the resource utilization is low sustainability criteria. "The government of President Enrique Peña Nieto is committed to a new order in the distribution and use of water, watershed management and pollution prevention to protect human life, flora and fauna," he said the federal official .
blackwater river PFPA/10.2/2C.27.1/039-14 mulegéAperturado the record under the Federal Administrative Procedure Act, we proceeded to the TOTAL TEMPORARY CLOSURE polluting source consisting of a tube of wastewater discharge at coordinates geographical 26 ° 53,529 'LN and 111 ° 58.738' LW, prior notification of the agreement of initiation and establishment of security and urgent measures PFPA/10.1/2C.27.1/160/2014 application dated June 12, 2014.

Agency Operator Municipality of Mulege, shall demonstrate to implement the measures imposed by PROFEPA and to manifest what his rights pursuant to the administrative procedure is followed.

To dispose of wastewater in National Water Corporation requires authorization from the water, make the treatment of such waste water prior to discharge and meet the pollutant limits established in NOM-001-SEMARNAT-1996, payment Free for receptor shedding body between other obligations.

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[Edited on 6-18-2014 by willyAirstream]




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[*] posted on 6-17-2014 at 09:20 AM


They have done this before...Shut down the sewage pumping facility, and then just dumping raw sewage into the river.....I always ask how does that contribute to a cleaner environment? AND where will the money come from to fix the facility? ........



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[*] posted on 6-17-2014 at 09:49 AM
Cleaner Rio


It need a lot of help. when people i knew had the Questa Real the toilets wouldnt flush when it was high tide.:wow::wow:
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[*] posted on 6-17-2014 at 10:52 AM


I think they are on septics over there....not city sewer



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[*] posted on 6-17-2014 at 11:03 AM


Yes, septic tanks there and I never heard of that problem in 4 years and I live next door.



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[*] posted on 6-17-2014 at 11:13 AM


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Originally posted by willyAirstream
Yes, septic tanks there and I never heard of that problem in 4 years and I live next door.








Just because you never heard of the problem dont mean it never happend. On the other hand I actualy experinced it the toilets would run over and foul the whole room evidentially you dont know anything about septics the tank is out near the Rio and when it was low tide the fluid still ran out and directly into the Rio septics arent designed to work in that kind of local where the water level fron the Rio is the same elevation as the outfall of the septic all the septic systems in that area are suspect and one of the greatest contributors to the polution of the rio even in the house you live in.

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[*] posted on 6-17-2014 at 11:36 AM


Are the septic tanks 55 gallon drums like mine?
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[*] posted on 6-17-2014 at 12:54 PM


At some point 8 tanks and leech fields were installed, none near the rio. No toilet problem now. I object to you trashing a place based on outdated information.
Not saying some doesn't make it into the estuary. I suspect it does. My casa has an 8 x 12 x 6 tank and a large leech field quite a distance from the water. My gray water is on a separate system, probably a 55 gallon tank or a hole with rocks. I agree most casas along the rio are contributing to the problem. What I hope they address is the 4'' inch line, feed by several casas that discharge direct to the rio.




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[*] posted on 6-17-2014 at 02:47 PM


Those great home deals on the river are not looking so good now!

They are some gook looking places...BUT!




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[*] posted on 6-17-2014 at 05:00 PM


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Originally posted by Udo
Those great home deals on the river are not looking so good now!

They are some gook looking places...BUT!


I'm assuming that was a typo, and not a reference to Asians owning there. But, the main reason the homes right on el rio are not looking like good deals is about the very frequent flooding.
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[*] posted on 6-17-2014 at 06:30 PM


Yes, Mulege has its problems.
No doubt about it.

Mulege also has great heart and the willingness among individuals to step-up and work it out collectively when a problem is identified.

Most recent tragedy to befall our village was the palm fires last month. The town rallied and cleaned up.

No, the fire wasn't "the nail in the town's coffin" as someone wrote here, any more than this most-recent problem will condemn the town to shame and ruin.




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[*] posted on 6-17-2014 at 09:54 PM


oh geez...where does ya start???....i live on the river..i have toilets...i have a septic "system/tank/tanks/yada/yada....and our crap seems so much cleaner when it enters the river than if it were "flowing" out like it presently is....our town needs a, and don't blame me for this, a, sewer treatment plant.....and it ain't never gonna happen....ever....cause it costs waaaaaaaayyyy into the millions to make one..of those things....so....what do we do with our waste in the meantime???...right there at river level???...we pretend that we're "filtering" it by going into "septic systems" and "purifying" the "effluent" and thereby "contributing" to the "positive vibrations" of......clean water...sure...i am...but i live there so....



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[*] posted on 6-18-2014 at 02:53 AM


Michael, The "newer" septics don't do a bad job. The ones installed back in the day were too small, no leach fields, prone to back up at high tides. In La Fortuna, some of them served several residences. That has changed. I think, not sure, that the specs now in force, size of leach, distance from river etc. are pretty good. The pumping/treatment facility across from Sauls needs a big money transfusion. Will it happen? Dunno...like lots of other projects, a lot of promises, not much change.....Udo? Why are you bad mouthing Mulege? Maybe you should stick to fighting with your neighbors in Ascuncion...Mulege will solve its problems, it always has....



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[*] posted on 6-18-2014 at 06:12 AM


We spend every winter someplace on Bahia Concepcion in a RV with weekly trips to Mulege. I've never noticed (seen or smelled) any pollution along the river. I know that does not mean there isn't any, it's just not enough to be noticeable to the weekly casual observer.

It appears the river can handle some pollution without degradation. I'm wondering what the Nomad residents of Mulege think. Is river pollution a problem?

Is the population growing?




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[*] posted on 6-18-2014 at 06:49 AM


Having lived for several years along the Rio, we have never noticed a problem in the water... The tide comes in the tide goes out.... Have never heard of anyone doing a water test to see what is actually in the water..
As in the Orchard which was a RV park for years before it went residential there were several lots tied to one septic... Most of those are now 4 chamber septics which is required if you build legally and get a permit..
I have never seen or heard of anyone getting a perk test...
The water table along the river can be only 4 or so feet down so leach water will find its way there...
Kito the fire chief can and does pump septics as we have done after floods since that will also compromise the septics...
I could go on and on but this will stir the pot anyway...
Being a retired contrator living with septic systems in the Colorado Mtns probably does not give me any credibility in the forum...
The biggest smell around Mulege is from those that like to pile their poo-poo on everything Mulege....
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[*] posted on 6-18-2014 at 06:55 AM


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Quote:
Originally posted by Udo
Those great home deals on the river are not looking so good now!

They are some gook looking places...BUT!


I'm assuming that was a typo, and not a reference to Asians owning there. But, the main reason the homes right on el rio are not looking like good deals is about the very frequent flooding.
"UDO" 'nt speak for Mulegenos!!!!!!!!!!!
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[*] posted on 6-18-2014 at 07:43 AM


This is the type of system that should be installed in every house in Mulege.

http://mightymac.com.mx/category/products/mighty-mac/

It uses aerobic treatment to all sewage, black and gray and turns it into clear odorless irrigation water. We installed it in our ocean front house in Loreto almost five years ago and it recycles 100% of household waste water into a drip system for our plants. No leech lines, no discharge at all. It was required by SEMERNAT as part of our EIS. I'm amazed at how good it works, you would swear you could drink the water (but don't), absolutely no odor whatsoever.
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[*] posted on 6-18-2014 at 08:14 AM


Perhaps I'm a little rough on Mulege, Chuckie, but before we bought our place in BA, we were seriously considering the MUlege Orchard. And even afterward, we were still considering buying a place there.
The deals in the area a phenomenal! And the house are incredible.
I still look at whatever shows up for sale in Mulege, and show it to my wife.
However...all the news from the last few years has not been the best for the town. We visit it quite often, and wonder at the beauty of the town. I would love to have a place there.
We are still considering Cessna's place up on the hill.


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Michael, The "newer" septics don't do a bad job. The ones installed back in the day were too small, no leach fields, prone to back up at high tides. In La Fortuna, some of them served several residences. That has changed. I think, not sure, that the specs now in force, size of leach, distance from river etc. are pretty good. The pumping/treatment facility across from Sauls needs a big money transfusion. Will it happen? Dunno...like lots of other projects, a lot of promises, not much change.....Udo? Why are you bad mouthing Mulege? Maybe you should stick to fighting with your neighbors in Ascuncion...Mulege will solve its problems, it always has....




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[*] posted on 6-18-2014 at 09:19 AM


Co incidence....The folks who own the "Cessna" place were in the same bar in Heathrow airport London on 9/11/2001 as My wife and I Small world....



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[*] posted on 6-18-2014 at 09:58 AM


Whenever we cross that bridge and look over to the river I always have thought I would like to kayak down there, it ain't happenen now.



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