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[*] posted on 2-28-2015 at 10:01 AM
Solar systems and RF noise


Just got back from 4 months living on baja beaches in my RV. This is the first trip with my small solar system, which worked great except for one thing. Both the panel and the inverter generate RF noise that makes listening to AM radio impossible, the only free radio available where I go.

Is there any way to eliminate the RF noise?

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[*] posted on 2-28-2015 at 10:24 AM


Maybe try grounding the inverter and panel to earth. Just a guess cause I have no personal experience with your problem. Does the AM radio have rf noise when used up here north of the border?
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[*] posted on 2-28-2015 at 10:29 AM


yup, you need a ground loop isolater.
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[*] posted on 2-28-2015 at 10:40 AM


MSW inverters will cause interference.



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[*] posted on 2-28-2015 at 10:52 AM


Thanks for the suggestions about grounding the system, sounds like it might work. The panel is on top of the trailer with 2 wires going to the charge controller, which is mounted inside the trailer. Two wires go from the charge controller to the battery. The battery is outside in a battery box resting on the trailer frame in front. The 1000 watt inverter is connected to the battery with short fat cables and sits on top of the battery box in its own, vented box.

So, how do I achieve a grounded system?

There is no RF noise at night with the inverter turned off.

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[*] posted on 2-28-2015 at 11:51 AM


Coming from somebody is not very electrically inclined I would guess that you need to drive a metal stake preferably clad in copper 4 feet into the ground put a clamp on one end with the wire to the ground clamp of your battery



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[*] posted on 2-28-2015 at 12:06 PM


I don't think a ground rod will help since the RF interferrence is being induced from the inverter to the battery. With the noise being on the battery cables it shouldn't make any difference if you have a ground rod or not. These ferrite beads should eleminate the noise on the battery DC cables.

Check this out. You can get ferrite beads on ebay also.

http://www.solar-electric.com/installation-parts-and-equipme...

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[*] posted on 2-28-2015 at 12:13 PM


Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
I don't think a ground rod will help since the RF interferrence is being induced from the inverter to the battery. With the noise being on the battery cables it shouldn't make any difference if you have a ground rod or not. These ferrite beads should eleminate the noise on the battery DC cables.

Check this out. You can get ferrite beads on ebay also.

http://www.solar-electric.com/installation-parts-and-equipme...

[Edited on 2-28-2015 by TMW]


BINGO! Thanks
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[*] posted on 3-1-2015 at 08:47 AM


Glad this topic came up. I have experienced AM interference in my truck camper ever since I installed a solar panel and a charge controller. The controller does have a setting for increased RF suppression, but it slows down the charging process, or so it says. Mine is an older PWM controller.

I love AM DXing when I am on the road in August and Sept. Great country stations, MLB games. Of course, there are plenty of conservative talk shows, too, but they are easily avoided. :biggrin:
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[*] posted on 3-1-2015 at 09:09 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Hook  
Glad this topic came up. I have experienced AM interference in my truck camper ever since I installed a solar panel and a charge controller. The controller does have a setting for increased RF suppression, but it slows down the charging process, or so it says. Mine is an older PWM controller.

I love AM DXing when I am on the road in August and Sept. Great country stations, MLB games. Of course, there are plenty of conservative talk shows, too, but they are easily avoided. :biggrin:


"conservative talk shows"-------weren't AM radios invented to listen to these essential shows? Why else would ANYBODY have one??? :biggrin:

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[*] posted on 3-1-2015 at 09:27 AM


DXing?



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[*] posted on 3-1-2015 at 09:31 AM


I get RF interference on the base station VHF in our trailer if the Honda EU3000 is running - it was so bad that I now run the radio on a separate battery that I charge occasionally.
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[*] posted on 3-1-2015 at 09:38 AM


Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
DXing?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DXing
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[*] posted on 3-1-2015 at 10:14 AM


Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
DXing?


It's and old radio term for picking up stations a long ways away. A hobby of sorts. When I'm in Baja (Sea of Cortez side) I listen to AM stations from Denver, Dallas, Salt Lake, Albuquerque, and El Paso, depending on reception, which is usually poor or none. Always and only at night so the solar system RFI is not a problem. I like listening to this program:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/

The problem is during the day listening to Mexican AM stations from Sonora and a re-broadcast of NPR on the AM band (1550) out of the Univ. of Arizona in Tucson.

http://tunein.com/radio/KUAZ-1550-s35846/

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[*] posted on 3-1-2015 at 10:25 AM


ahhh, got it. i've actually picked up KTYD from UCSB at night along the cirrio coast many years ago. that was cool!



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[*] posted on 3-1-2015 at 10:31 AM


This company makes good portable AM/FM radios if anyone is interested.

https://www.ccrane.com/

Factory car radios are usually good performers too.

I'm ready for a new AM/FM portable radio, anybody have any suggestions?
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[*] posted on 3-1-2015 at 10:37 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Quote: Originally posted by Hook  
Glad this topic came up. I have experienced AM interference in my truck camper ever since I installed a solar panel and a charge controller. The controller does have a setting for increased RF suppression, but it slows down the charging process, or so it says. Mine is an older PWM controller.

I love AM DXing when I am on the road in August and Sept. Great country stations, MLB games. Of course, there are plenty of conservative talk shows, too, but they are easily avoided. :biggrin:


"conservative talk shows"-------weren't AM radios invented to listen to these essential shows? Why else would ANYBODY have one??? :biggrin:

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[*] posted on 3-1-2015 at 10:41 AM


What beaches did you stay on?
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[*] posted on 3-1-2015 at 10:43 AM


Yup, Coast to Coast with George Nori.

Various beaches on Bahia Concepcion.
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