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David K
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The only deniers are those that:
Go to Concepcion Bay's El Coyote and stand by the palm trees on the beach... and the same palm is still above the sea, as it has been since the photos
taken of it in the 1950's.
Are quick to point to lack of ice at the north pole, but conveniently don't credit the increase of ice at the south pole!
Need to flip a graph upside down or to change the data to make their argument...
and think that man is so mighty and powerful, he can change the weather! Good luck with that!
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wessongroup
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Big Shelves Of Antarctic Ice Melting Faster Than Scientists Thought
http://www.npr.org/2015/03/26/395379216/big-shelves-of-antar...
Arctic Ice Melting Faster and Earlier With Dire Results
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/arctic-ice-melting-faster...
Not sure which "poles" you are referencing ... I'm talking about the north and south poles of this planet, at this time
All things change ... its call evolution and "it" takes no prisoners 
Here's a good one on atmospheric change
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoclimatology
Some may wish to consider man's ability to kill off species ... as a negative impact .. as some are very important to our existence on the planet ...
Like the Honey Bee ... there are other critters which have importance in the "web of life" of which we are part of ... on this planet 
Just depends on which cycle ya fall into on the planet ... in time
[Edited on 6-13-2015 by wessongroup]
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gnukid
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"The Right Climate Stuff"
Video of presentation at ICCC 10 6/12/15
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/63606452
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wessongroup
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An interesting find by the Air Force ... 50 years ago
And they were only trying to get their missiles to work
http://earththeoperatorsmanual.com/segment/4
Don't think the Air Force had any ax to grind on this one ... they just wanted the missiles to work and found out something very interesting ...
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bonanza bucko
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OK...I got it; there is "climate change." But nobody has eschewed their cool aid long enough to explain the Great Lakes and how man(or Mastodon)
caused that.
Sure there might be some "global warming" (although that hasn't happened in 17 years) and sure there might be more CO2 in the atmosphere but most of
that gets sucked up by plants which produce O2 with it and nobody has explained how the changes were caused by man and not caused by nature which has
done that a lot of times in the past.
You gottta have a conceit a lot larger than your humility to get all exercised by "man caused climate change."
You ever hear about the mosquito floating down the river on his back with a hard on yelling, "RAISE THE DRAW BRIDGE!"
BB :-)
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | The only deniers are those that:
Go to Concepcion Bay's El Coyote and stand by the palm trees on the beach... and the same palm is still above the sea, as it has been since the photos
taken of it in the 1950's.
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Palm trees! 
Dk, you are a flocking riot!
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | The only deniers are those that:
Go to Concepcion Bay's El Coyote and stand by the palm trees on the beach... and the same palm is still above the sea, as it has been since the photos
taken of it in the 1950's.
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Palm trees!
Dk, you are a flocking riot! |
1952 (Howard Gulick photo)
2012, 59 years later... no rising of the sea level more than the daily and seasonally high/low tide change variations. The length of a cigarette, as
some say the oceans have risen, is not a cause for the freaking out.
Now, it really doesn't matter what any of us believe because the earth and Nature will keep on doing what it is going to do.
My gig here is only to have you deniers OPEN YOUR EYES.
Are then ice caps vanishing? Do you think driving a Prius will change that? Does giving your money to Al Gore change anything, but make him richer and
you poorer? Does Al Gore spend time answering your questions or showing proof that his predictions have come true? No, he can't because he only can
provide projections and predictions.
Edit:
Here they are in a 1971 guidebook cover...
[Edited on 6-13-2015 by David K]
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bajabuddha
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Isn't it amazing that the forefront of the deniers are the hardline conservative right that just happen to either own or be bought and paid for by the
huge corporations (mainly Big Oil and Petroleum/Coal etc) that will lose profits if forced to cut back emissions. Yes, jobs will be lost; but better
that than half of Miami...... or not.....
Here's a great piece of who's running which show, and who they're afraid of now:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/angry-us-republicans-...
There are some great quotes in the article, some of which are so two-faced it's comical. Keep on keepin' on, Righty Righties. I'll even loan you one
of my shovels.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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DaliDali
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha | Isn't it amazing that the forefront of the deniers are the hardline conservative right that just happen to either own or be bought and paid for by the
huge corporations (mainly Big Oil and Petroleum/Coal etc) that will lose profits if forced to cut back emissions. Yes, jobs will be lost; but better
that than half of Miami...... or not.....
Here's a great piece of who's running which show, and who they're afraid of now:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/angry-us-republicans-...
There are some great quotes in the article, some of which are so two-faced it's comical. Keep on keepin' on, Righty Righties. I'll even loan you one
of my shovels. |
And yet the palm tree in question is STILL there......STILL above water......STILL alive......
A right wing conspiracy no doubt.
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | | Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha | Isn't it amazing that the forefront of the deniers are the hardline conservative right that just happen to either own or be bought and paid for by the
huge corporations (mainly Big Oil and Petroleum/Coal etc) that will lose profits if forced to cut back emissions. Yes, jobs will be lost; but better
that than half of Miami...... or not.....
Here's a great piece of who's running which show, and who they're afraid of now:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/angry-us-republicans-...
There are some great quotes in the article, some of which are so two-faced it's comical. Keep on keepin' on, Righty Righties. I'll even loan you one
of my shovels. |
And yet the palm tree in question is STILL there......STILL above water......STILL alive......
A right wing conspiracy no doubt.
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No, of course it's not a conspiracy, that's crazy. What happened is the shape of the sand bottom changed over the years enabling the bay to hold more
water without a change in the shoreline.
Obviously. 
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David K
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Thanks for the laugh SFandH! Have a great day!!
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SFandH
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Just returning the favor. Have a blissful day.
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I will never open another thread with 'Climate Change' in the title. Should have known better and realized that certain Nomads cannot discuss
anything in a civil manner. No wonder new participation is dwindling on this forum and regulars are leaving.
This sign should go on the Baja Nomad banner...No Attitudes!
[Edited on 6-14-2015 by Pompano]
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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bajabuddha
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | The only angry people consistently are liberals... do they even smile?
Your hate of big oil or other 'evil' corporations motivates you to make up all these lies about climate, sea levels, but you still drive a car, use
plastic, use most anything... and keep buying from these people you are told to hate... do you have a mutual fund or retirement that depends on these
corporations to be successful? |
I'm literally laughing my azz off at this one:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-rep-blames-califo...
You talk about who has a sense of humor? I know I do, 'cause I don't care who you are, that's FUNNY right there.....
BTW, I thought the storybook said the last time Mankind screwed up it rained for forty days and forty nights....... which is it? Who's lying to whom?
Now you're afraid of the Pope.....
[Edited on 6-13-2015 by bajabuddha]
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Yeah but she's right...DK sed so.....Fruit newtons he is....
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David K
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You guys really need a vacation!
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vgabndo
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | The only angry people consistently are liberals... do they even smile?
Your hate of big oil or other 'evil' corporations motivates you to make up all these lies about climate, sea levels, but you still drive a car, use
plastic, use most anything... and keep buying from these people you are told to hate... do you have a mutual fund or retirement that depends on these
corporations to be successful? |
I invite you to expand your horizons David, since this isn't Baja related you might feel more at home here. http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | The only deniers are those that:
Go to Concepcion Bay's El Coyote and stand by the palm trees on the beach... and the same palm is still above the sea, as it has been since the photos
taken of it in the 1950's.
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Palm trees!
Dk, you are a flocking riot! |
1952 (Howard Gulick photo)
2012, 59 years later... no rising of the sea level more than the daily and seasonally high/low tide change variations. The length of a cigarette, as
some say the oceans have risen, is not a cause for the freaking out.
Now, it really doesn't matter what any of us believe because the earth and Nature will keep on doing what it is going to do.
My gig here is only to have you deniers OPEN YOUR EYES.
Are then ice caps vanishing? Do you think driving a Prius will change that? Does giving your money to Al Gore change anything, but make him richer and
you poorer? Does Al Gore spend time answering your questions or showing proof that his predictions have come true? No, he can't because he only can
provide projections and predictions.
Edit:
Here they are in a 1971 guidebook cover...
[Edited on 6-13-2015 by David K] |
I think someone that makes precise and accurate measurements of sea level using a documented datum can produce better sea level data than a luddite
that documents sea levels using pictures of palm trees found in old tourist guidebooks.
I trust the scientific method more than the bloviating crank method!
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SFandH
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Especially since the first picture was taken at high tide, the second at low tide.
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Flood tide......ebb tide.....slack tide......the palm is STILL there.....STILL out of water and STILL alive.
Do a drive by and take a look for yourself. Just saying.
[Edited on 6-13-2015 by DaliDali]
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