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chuckie
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Ja, I think the fat lady sang a while ago
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Mexitron
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Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  | "Use it Before we Lose It."
There's NO point in giving up something you LIKE just so that somebody you don't KNOW or LIKE can have it instead.
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Also depends on the price you're willing to pay for that resource---oil will likely be more expensive as the years go by and add the cost of foreign
entanglements such as Iraq and well, seems pretty expensive compared to solar, hydrogen, and (possibly) fusion. I'd starting preparing now rather
than later. Besides, a massive program for those energies would be great for our economy AND if we start developing the technology and infrastructure
now we can export it to other countries Or we can chase oil down the
rabbit hole of a dying empire.
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wessongroup
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Perhaps the "moral" argument will work ... 
As that aspect appears not to have been included into the discussion or could one conclude that morality is not involved in the decision making
process, at this time
Atomic weight of AIR ... here's an aid to help on the process
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/molecular-mass-air-d_679.h...
Hell, I think its a fun topic ... the weather .. never a dull moment
any hurricanes on the horizon ...
[Edited on 6-15-2015 by wessongroup]
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MrBillM
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Paying the Price
Sounds GOOD to me.
"F" all this Government-enforced limitations nonsense.
Let the market determine the price and let us determine whether we're willing to pay it.
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wessongroup
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Appears morality isn't part of the discussion ... Strange HUH .. 
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bledito
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if the weather has any bearing on the subject i would have to say we have more devastating storms as of late. haven't read the posts as it's usually a
lot of hot air blowing back and forth. that in itself i would have to say is contributing to warming of some type.
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Tropical storm "Bill" is headed for Texas. I don't think it was named after me.
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Florida has gone 3,270 days without a hurricane – nearly nine years and, by far, the longest stretch on record (the next longest streak is 5
seasons from 1980-1984, in records dating back to 1851).
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/...
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Another Global warming example
http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/mexico-city-puebla-closed-sn...
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gnukid
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The evidence is clear: The ice caps aren't melting. The sea isn't rising. The temperature isn't rising. Extreme weather is not occurring more
frequently, despite Co2 measurements increasing from 290-400ppm over the past century.
We know that temperature increase does not follow Co2 increase. In fact, the opposite is true.
Despite Co2 increasing dramatically, the Earth's temperature has not gone up significantly in the last 100 years. Any warming that has been measured
is easily explained by measurement anomalies from inaccurate equipment a century ago, urban heat island effect, outright data manipulation, and large
(normal) variances in temperature over the years and across parts of the world.
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/2159861...
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/2159861...
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wessongroup
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A Pause In Global Warming? Not Really
But Thomas Karl, Director of NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information, says, “Our new analysis suggests that the apparent hiatus may have
been largely the result of limitations in past datasets, and that the rate of warming over the first 15 years of this century has, in fact, been as
fast or faster than that seen over the last half of the 20th century.”
Besides, the IPCC data in the 2013 report didn’t actually show much of a Pause anyway. The report actually concluded, “Warming of the climate
system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2015/06/15/a-pause-in...
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Davie....you got me smilin' with that brilliant insight....
Don't believe everything you think....
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wessongroup
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ROFLMAO
We're not living ON the planet, we're part of it and the biosphere we inhabit allows us to continue our lives. Too bad so many of us continue to want
to practice ignorance and wreck it.....
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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gnukid
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Focus on working together to change highly destructive practices in manufacturing, medicine, farming, fishing, energy, banking, prison, military.
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wessongroup
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Focus on working together to change highly destructive practices in manufacturing, medicine, farming, fishing, energy, banking, prison, military.
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Would not disagree with that statement at all ... As that is the ONLY way any thing of this "scope" will work
It's important that all come forward to make it better for ALL
However, asking for people to do with "less" tends to be a hard sell
I'm sure it will all work out ... perhaps not exactly how many would like ... but, comprise is the way we work, at this time
And most prefer this approach to "WAR" ... as do I
And speaking of war, better watch out with Poland and Russia .... we appear to be pushing the envelope in this area
Can't imagine we and/or NATO would like to get into a "Land War" with Russia, and can't imagine the Chinese supporting it either ... since they will
be getting their "energy" from Russia .. .going forward ... China has been moving very fast in the last year to replace all coal fired energy sources
within their infrastructure
Would think one could draw reasonable conclusions as to the importance of CO2 increases ... based on the Chinese rapid movement way from "Coal" and
oil with high sulfur ... to natural gas and cleaner burning oil ... just saying
Think there maybe confusion of the "intent" of science ... Science doesn't lay out the plans to business on HOW to correct the problem ... rather
science provides "facts" which allow business to make "Informed Business Decision"
And based on what business has learned over the past 25-35 years with their involvement with science has only grown both closer, as science provides
the FACTS which allows Business to continue on ... the only rub at this time ... HOW MUCH growth can "work" without tipping the scales ... which would
then mean reduced business and/or profits ...
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[Edited on 6-16-2015 by wessongroup]
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DaliDali
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Focus on working together to change highly destructive practices in manufacturing, medicine, farming, fishing, energy, banking, prison, military.
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If you add in politicians and their unquenchable thirst for more and more tax dollars, and lobbyists who feed them the "brilliant" ideas to come up
with more tax dollars.....I would totally agree.
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David K
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If all I do is get some of you to think for yourselves instead of just falling for the populist belief in 'man created' climate change/ rising sea
levels/ etc., then that is enough. I think our children have enough in life to deal with than to heap a bunch of 'guilt' upon them for merely being
humans.
People ARE a part of this planet and what we do here is part of that. Keeping the place as clean as possible is a great idea, if for nothing else, to
make it more enjoyable for us and future generations. But, just being human does not make us evil and planet destroyers. We have the biggest brain for
our size, so let's use our brains and think, and not just fall for some bureaucrat's claims, automatically.
Thank you.
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motoged
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | If all I do is get some of you to think for yourselves instead of just falling for the populist belief in 'man created' climate change/ rising sea
levels/ etc., then that is enough..... |
David,
Your rant is predictable and has done nothing to influence my thinking in any constructive way.
Other posters, however, have offered good info (not just opinions) on both sides of the topic of climate change and its possibilities.
Please don't put yourself in the righteous position of productively influencing our thinking....you are just not that important.
Don't believe everything you think....
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