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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | If all I do is get some of you to think for yourselves......
We have the biggest brain for our size, so let's use our brains and think, and not just fall for some bureaucrat's claims, automatically.
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Or Joe the Plumber, or DK the Sprinkler Guy. Most people do think for themselves.... the majority of spin doctors on the subject are those
who will lose the most here, specifically Big Oil, Monsanto, etc.
Your delusions of adequacy are only far exceeded by your lack of credibility and your tunnel-visioned myopic view of the scope of this entire topic.
Said it before, stick to maps. You're my hero. Otherwise every time you open your mouth you insult thinking, intelligent people who can very well
"think for themselves", they just don't agree with you, Buck-o. Like Ged said, you just ain't that thmart.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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Can you guys please drop the insults, if you don't have something to add please move on to another thread. Lots of positive things to talk about here.
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Seriously! Rant? Is that how my typed thoughts are read by you? I guess there is no hope in having a calm chat? I say think for yourselves because the
advocates of the man created climate theory always produce man created graphs. Those of us who think the earth and Nature are greater than man can see
the sea level with our own eyes in person or in photos taken 50+ years apart.
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| Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup | Polar Bears Seen Eating Dolphins For The First Time As Seal Habitat Melts Away
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/12/polar-bears-eat-dol...
1.5 mm = 0.0590551 inches annual or over the past 50 years is equal to 2.952755 inches increase globally .. close enough for horse shoes
I don’t think most could discern a 0.0590551 inch rise in one year nor in 50 years with the naked eye … as it isn’t all that much … but, taken as a
whole for the entire oceans of the planet … that rise IS "significant" ..as the earth oceans cover roughly 70% of the planet
And of that .. 2.5% is fresh water … the rest is Ocean
http://phys.org/news/2015-01-sea-larger-thought.html
and btw .. ice melt at the poles is effecting our "gravity" ... too 
Better hang on .. 
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Give it up, DK....
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How many gigatonnes of ice must melt to raise the oceans one millimeter (10-3 meters)?
The number of gigatonnes of water that must be added to the oceans to raise the sea level 1 millimeter is given by:
1 mm / (2.78 microns / Gt) = 10-3 m / (2.78 x 10-6 m / Gt) = 360 Gt
Similarly, 360 km³ of water will raise the oceans 1 mm.
https://climatesanity.wordpress.com/conversion-factors-for-i...
Based on the math ... one hell of a lot of melt has taken place to raise the ocean's level 2.952755 inches ... Where did the increase in "volume" come
from ... run off from rain, if NOT from Ice Melt
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Living here on the Great Plains, it's not hard to see the major changes. Just North of our home place, George Custers adjutant wrote of the wonderful
swimming holes and fishing on the Big Timber.....I havnt seen water in it in 30+ years.....Over on the Arickaree where once they considered bringing
steamers up? Dust....Creek after creek holding water only after a deluge....Where did it go?....deep well irrigation, golf courses, overbuilt
housing...Man.....idiots like DK, looking down from their tall horses have the real answer......eh?
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Ice skating on the Thames river in England during the the big freeze of 1962 - Who can we blame this on?
What about the poor viking who colonized Greenland in the midlevel warm period, then got froze out during the little ice age. Who can blame that on
and everything else? Human CO2?
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| Quote: Originally posted by tripledigitken | | Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd | | I've stated it before, and I'll do it again. We have an epidemic of asthma and COPD that is directly related to the increase in carbon emissions..
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Having someone very close with COPD, I would like to see your sources. Would you please furnish a link.
Thanks |
Here is a start. http://www.alpha1.org/Newly-Diagnosed/More-Alpha-1-Resources...
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WHY? do we have to BLAME it on anyone? What good will that do? It is what it is.....
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | If all I do is get some of you to think for yourselves instead of just falling for the populist belief in 'man created' climate change/ rising sea
levels/ etc., then that is enough. I think our children have enough in life to deal with than to heap a bunch of 'guilt' upon them for merely being
humans.
People ARE a part of this planet and what we do here is part of that. Keeping the place as clean as possible is a great idea, if for nothing else, to
make it more enjoyable for us and future generations. But, just being human does not make us evil and planet destroyers. We have the biggest brain for
our size, so let's use our brains and think, and not just fall for some bureaucrat's claims, automatically.
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Many of us here can think for themselves. Too bad you don't. Even wonder if you can think.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | I say think for yourselves because the advocates of the man created climate theory always produce man created graphs. Those of us who think the earth
and Nature are greater than man can see the sea level with our own eyes in person or in photos taken 50+ years apart. |
your "own eyes" approach to understanding climatology and sea levels is absurd.
the issue has been in the news for many years and you still don't understand that the amount of change and rate of change are not visible in your
vacation photo album.
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Again, paleoclimatology has nothing whatsoever to do with the current climate changes and predicted major changes soon to befall us. I travelled for
several days with a Paleo-Climatologist who had the exact same charts as you do, gnukid. He was studying the reasons for the abandonment of Chaco
Canyon, Mesa Verde, and the Chinle cultural areas... his 1500-year span (before present) was much more detailed than yours, and granted, the last
15,000 (end of Pleistocene Ice Age) was off the charts. It was micro-climate change that moved out the Ancient Ones; they pooped in their own nests.
They de-forested Mesa Verde (the Mesa itself), over-populated their environment that became impossible to sustain them.
The current situation is no different, only on a much broader scale. Proven; wells are being dug deeper and deeper daily all over the Western U.S.
from California to the Plains to find aquifers that have been used up. Fossil fuel emissions WILL deplete the polar ice shields..... ARE depleting
them. Sea levels WIll rise...... ARE rising, minimally for now.
Yes, Yellowstone will make one heckuva natural disaster. The Chixulub comet impact was one doozy. But, they have nothing to do with the here and
the now; so wowwie zowwie, somebody stood on the same beach 50 years ago, and it's the same now. DUH. Check back in another hundred....... oh wait,
we'll have another off-road run in the mean-time, nothing's changed.
Yet.
[Edited on 6-16-2015 by bajabuddha]
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The American Way, or, Let's Make Some Money!!
"investments in infrastructure and technology to mitigate the effects of climate change will total as much as $130 billion a year by 2030"
Global warming mutual funds coming to a broker near you.
Now we're talkin'
I'm goin' long on global warming. Skeptics can go short.
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-03-07/investors-se...
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Hey ... thanks for sharing ... Some interesting insight different locations
Couple of places I'd would have liked to have check out
And the rapidity of change, over the past 100 years is difficult to appreciate
My Grandfather used to tell be tales of AZ in 1900 ... a trip
And he was talking about ... How much "it" had changed in his life ... this was in 1964
Think everyone has a great deal of love of the country and/or dirt, trees and wildlife ... It just the way we "make" our living .. that is giving us
fits .... Tuna make their living feeding on fish and squid ... if it was only that simple for humans .. well it was once ... kinda ... "hunter
gathers" ... don't think many want to get back that far ..... to make the environment ok ...
We gotta set something from the past ... which is stitalable for out population ... first in the United States, focus on that first (there have to be
priorities) and then try and help as many as we can ... Not sure that just because its a Global Problem that the solution has to be Global, at this
time
Need to work on barrels of oil per day first ... that is the big one ... coal is manageable ... Believe small poorer counties should use coal ... more
advance with the ability: solar, natural gas and oil as a last resort ... with wind, sea and the rest tossed in to help as much as possible
And think of it as just talking care of the "trail" or "campsite" ... just a bigger one
Was brought up ... to always leave "it" the same ... pack it in, pack it out
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Things are looking good for my global warming stock portfolio:
"China is building one coal-fired power plant every 7 to 10 days, while Japan plans to build 43 coal-fired power projects to replace its shuttered
nuclear units."
http://instituteforenergyresearch.org/analysis/as-u-s-shutte...
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Should cut my propane bill, at the ranch....
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| Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup | Hey ... thanks for sharing ... Some interesting insight different locations
Not sure that just because its a Global Problem that the solution has to be Global, at this time
Need to work on barrels of oil per day first ... that is the big one ... coal is manageable ... Believe small poorer counties should use coal ... more
advance with the ability: solar, natural gas and oil as a last resort ... with wind, sea and the rest tossed in to help as much as possible
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I always appreciate the thought you put into posts.
The hyperbole is, well, not surprising.
This is interesting to me directly. I am talking with people that are talking about multiple mini-grid systems all over Peru, Columbia, potentially
Guatemala...... Mexico is writing legislation to increase that very thing....
Coal is not the answer.
I hope to be doing solar in South America within the next two years.... the governments there are seeing the light and reaching out.
Combinations of RE (renewable energy) supplemented by traditional energy sources are the answer now.... when storage solutions become better then even
that will be mitigated extensively. For example concentrated solar....
As an aside, if you want to talk about standing on the same sand you did years ago I suggest you stand in the sand just above Cardiff reef.....oh,
right, you can't.... it's not there.
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Thanks Patch ... and a good on ya ...
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