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Quote: Originally posted by norte  | | Given that the fiercest hunters were that most sought after mates to ensure survival of the gene pool, I would think you should start worrying about
erectile dysfunction to go along with your command of the English language. |
Hey Happy Guy, maybe, just maaybe you've been watching too many movies!! 
PS ED comes from excess FAT in the bloodstream. Like, duuuuh
"hey were hunters"
"were that most sought"
command of the english language ??? hahahahaHAHAHAHAHAAA
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| Quote: Originally posted by norte | | Speaking of fruits and nuts....Actually science tells us that people (the tranquil ones) ate meat even if they were only insects. We developed the
way we are (the strongest survived) by hunting and foraging. Being a vegetarian (nothing wrong with it today) is a recent phenomenon in our long
history. Don't know why people have to search for a reason in history to be a vege. We have yet to find an ancient society (agricultural ones as
well) that did not eat meat. |
Hey Tonto! You do realise that tropical rain forest floors don't fossilise (sp) right? You got that right genius. They become the stuff that fuels
your car. Can you even grasp how much history that consequently negates us being able to 'observe'?
Ye gods man. Stop while you're behind.
Well, nature calls ... I gotta go take a norte! Have fun 
[Edited on 6-25-2015 by bezzell]
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I still say NOMANIA is a wonderful analogy.
I also see a wonderful potential OT Nomidiot in the making.....
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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Does a lack of meat protein cause a person to become nasty and insulting? We have heard your OPINION, Bezzell, here are some facts for you to chew on.
Humans can be regarded as natural omnivores, so long as one uses the common definition of the term: a natural diet that includes significant amounts
of both plant and animal foods. (Humans might not qualify as omnivores if one uses the definition of omnivore as advocated by D.J. Chivers and
associates, and discussed in earlier sections herein.)
To use terms that are linked to gut morphology, humans are either faunivores [meat-eaters] or frugivores with specific (evolutionary) adaptations for
the consumption of animal foods. This, of course, means that humans are not natural vegetarians. A short summary of some of the evidence supporting
this follows (the material below was discussed in depth in earlier sections of this paper). (http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-9a.s...)
The fossil record.
Approximately 2.5 million years of human omnivory/faunivory are apparent in the record, with genetic adaptation to that diet the inevitable and
inescapable outcome of evolution. The supporting evidence here includes isotope analysis of fossils, providing further evidence of consumption of
animal foods.
Comparative anatomy of the human gut. The best scientific evidence available to date on gut morphology--analyzed using two different statistical
approaches--shows evidence of adaptations for which the best explanation is the practice of faunivory. (Faunivory as an explanation is also supported
by optimal foraging theory in hunter-gatherer tribes.) Further, the human gut morphology is not what might be expected for a strict vegetarian/fruit
diet.
Comparative physiology (metabolism)
Intestinal receptors for heme iron. The existence of intestinal receptors for the specific absorption of heme iron is strong evidence of adaptation to
animal foods in the diet, as heme iron is found in nutritionally significant amounts only in animal foods (fauna).
B-12 an essential nutrient.
Similarly, the requirement for vitamin B-12 in human nutrition, and the lack of reliable (year-round) plant sources suggests evolutionary adaptation
to animal foods in the human diet.
Plant foods are poor sources of EFAs. In general, the EFAs in plant foods are in the "wrong" ratio (with the exception of a very few exotic, expensive
oils), and the low synthesis rates of EPA, DHA, and other long-chain fatty acids from plant precursors point to plant foods as an "inferior" source of
EFAs. This strongly suggests adaptation to foods that include preformed long-chain fatty acids, i.e., fauna.
Taurine synthesis rate.
The low rate of taurine synthesis in humans, compared to that in herbivorous animals, suggests human adaptation to food sources of taurine (fauna) in
the human diet.
Slow conversion of beta-carotene.
The sluggish conversion rate of beta-carotene to vitamin A, especially when compared to the conversion rate in herbivorous animals, suggests
adaptation to dietary sources of preformed vitamin A (i.e., a diet that includes fauna).
Plant foods available in evolution were poor zinc and iron sources. The plant foods available during evolution (fruits, vegetative plant parts, nuts,
but no grains or legumes) generally provide low amounts of zinc and iron, two essential minerals. These minerals are provided by grains, but grains
are products of agriculture (i.e., were not available during evolution), and contain many antinutrients that inhibit mineral absorption. This suggests
that the nutritional requirements for iron and zinc were primarily met via animal foods during human evolution.
Bitter taste threshold as a trophic marker.
An analysis of the human bitter taste threshold, when compared to the threshold of other mammals, suggests that our sensitivity to the bitter taste is
comparable to that of carnivores/omnivores.
There is no such thing as a veg*n gatherer tribe. And there are no records to indicate that any such tribes ever existed; also no evidence of any
vegan societies either.
The actual diets of all the great apes includes some fauna--animal foods. Even the great apes that are closest to being completely vegetarian,
gorillas, deliberately consume insects when available. Chimps and bonobos, our closest relatives, hunt and kill vertebrates and eat occasional meat.
Many of the ancillary claims made in comparative "proofs" of veg*n diets are logical fallacies:
The misinterpretation of animal studies using domesticated or feedlot meats to condemn all omnivore diets.
The misinterpretation of clinical studies showing negative results for the SAD/SWD as indicating negative results for all omnivore diets.
The misinterpretation of the results of the China Project to claim it "proves" vegan diets are best and all omnivore diets are bad.
John McArdle, Ph.D., an anatomist and primatologist, a vegetarian, and scientific advisor to the American Anti-Vivisection Society, summarizes the
situation clearly [McArdle 1996, p. 174]:
"Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans
are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health
concerns."
There is a lot more supporting science, but I've worn out my three and a half brain cells.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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...I hear she does bris's on the side....
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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Hey V. Thanks for writing! Busy days but a promise to you ... I will return and absolutely, unequivically CRUSH TO PCS all you wrote. For educational
purposes only of course! 
It's all about all of us being fooled, amigo.
(Hey, what's the medical term that describes someone suffering from a protein deficiency? (other than 'dead' or 'starvation'). Like, lack of iron =
anemic etc.)
Did you know Israel is embracing veganism like you wouldn't believe! It's about them being familiar with oppression (just like the animals are being
subjected to), and a willingness to remove their blinkers. Really amazing what's happenning there. Later ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMJM4pIscGE
ps: and what's this about you being most hated minority ?? I thought you were NOT a vegan!!?
pps: fwiw, I'd put you in the 5.5 brain cell category!! c'mon, just
kiddin' Calmati vato !! 
Have you read The China Study? Will change your life. Protein!!?? HA what a CROCK!! (it's everywhere, and seeking out 'protein' foods is just
nonsensical)
Salut
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Can you quote any facts to back up your bs.... and its Salud...and calmati is Italian. boy, hope you do not breed.
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Folks can eat poop as far as I care, as long as they don't try to make me eat it also. Been eating fried fish every day this week, today and plan to
have the same tomorrow as well. Mighty good and easy on the pocketbook due to the fact that I caught 'em myself.
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| Quote: Originally posted by bezzell |
Hey V. Thanks for writing! Busy days but a promise to you ... I will return and absolutely, unequivically CRUSH TO PCS all you wrote. For educational
purposes only of course!
It's all about all of us being fooled, amigo.
(Hey, what's the medical term that describes someone suffering from a protein deficiency? (other than 'dead' or 'starvation'). Like, lack of iron =
anemic etc.)
Did you know Israel is embracing veganism like you wouldn't believe! It's about them being familiar with oppression (just like the animals are being
subjected to), and a willingness to remove their blinkers. Really amazing what's happenning there. Later ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMJM4pIscGE
ps: and what's this about you being most hated minority ?? I thought you were NOT a vegan!!?
pps: fwiw, I'd put you in the 5.5 brain cell category!! c'mon, just
kiddin' Calmati vato !!
Have you read The China Study? Will change your life. Protein!!?? HA what a CROCK!! (it's everywhere, and seeking out 'protein' foods is just
nonsensical)
Salut |
You've really got an attitude....dude. Vegetarians aren't even on the Pew list of the disrespected. I'm an out-of-the-closet atheist by the way. You
are still talking about sociology, not biology. Your contention that humans are not omnivores by nature remains fallacious, and your opinion isn't
going to change the scientific evidence to the contrary. If I were you I'd stay away from science or you will likely go hungry. More and more research
indicates that many plants sense danger and communicate that danger to other parts of themselves or separate plants!
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg12717361.200-antelope-...
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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In 1973 a book was published regarding the wide range of properties displayed by plants.....some seeming to display "emotional" (survival ?)
responses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Plants
[Edited on 6-25-2015 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
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My houseplants always seem much more subdued when my mother in law is visiting.   
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I kissed a turnip once and it smiled....Making Oyster Po Boys tonite...
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Ya know.....if Chuckie can offer a kiss in order to elicit a smile from a turnip.....what more proof do you need that Chuckie is a romantic guy
....with feelings?
Don't believe everything you think....
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It's one of the three main vegetables of the garden:
Luttuce,
Turnip
.... and pea.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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You hoser!
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I believe plants are smarter than cows.
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| Quote: Originally posted by basautter | | Cubed Spam with sliced potatoes and velveta cheese, baked in a casserole pan until it's crusty, with crumbled bacon on top! Try it, you will like it!
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So, not enough salt in one of the saltiest product marketed (Spam) so, you have to add Velveeta, which is the saltiest processed cheese in the world.
My arteries are throbbing just reading that post.
That said, everyone needs to occasionally go crazy with their diet. Just not on a regular basis.
A fat laden, salt laden meal should be considered an occasional treat; not an everyday meal.
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I saw a doctor on TV once explain how potato chips are the perfect junk food. Salt, fat, and the small amount of carbohydrate is quickly converted to
sugar after you eat them.
Tecate and chips, one of my favorite vegan snacks. YUM! Killer food.
PS, I am a vegan, U2U me if you're interested, I'll send you a couple of links.
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Very interesting topic .. Diet and Dentition in the Evolution of Chordates
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=QahOhLY5...
been a while on this subject ... thanks .. something to think about other than _____________
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Real eyes, realise, real lies.
gaaadammit ... nature callin' again. Gotta go take a norte! (Must be all that fiber!!)
I have an 'attitude of gratitude' V! (esp since someone was kind enuf to shake me outta my brainwashed status)
It's SOOO important to seek out protein (NOT!) ... did you find that 'protein deficiency' term?
"Plants have feelings"
Folks looove to hear good things, about their bad habits.
(Make no mistake, it's very easy to be vegan, AND be even unhealthier than those eating some meat (due to continued (or even increased) percentages of
FAT intake) ... as SF&H just displayed. It's about calorie-nutrient ratios.
busy busy busy ...
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