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jrbaja
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That project had so many unanswered questions
from the get go that it is almost identical to Punta Banda. Different forms but same outcome! People get screwed for not doing their homework and
paying attention.
Friends of mine who know Baja went to one of their first meetings down there wanting to buy.
They came home in total disbelief that these schuysters had taken it that far already and couldn't answer half their questions to boot!
One of the questions was about Ejidos. The sales people didn't know what an ejido was
They can screw the buyers that don't pay attention all they want but it's not nice to mess with Mother Nature while they're doing it!  
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There are lots of things they don't know about
One interesting mention in that GG article was about how the developers had pristine records in the US and Canada and great working relationships
based on governments that work the way they're used to. Well the Mexican government works in mysterious ways that make complete sense to Mexicanos
but defy logic to Norteamericanos y Canadienses. Don't get me wrong I really want the Loreto Bay Project to work as it will benefit us all, but their
promises are based in the reality that they are experienced with, not the reality that is here. I came here with the similar ideals and have changed
since learning the hard way, so I see myeslf reflected in them on a smaller scale. I forsaw the labor pool problems that they are encountering right
off the bat but believed the drivel about the sustainable village. I've spoken to some working with the project. I was told that they will generate
more electricity than they will use and the excess will be sold to the power company or donated to the town. When I asked what CFE and the government
thinks about all that, they didn't understand where I was coming from. I think you understand, JR. While I won't feel sorry for folks that buy and
without doing their required research, get the shaft, I will do everything in my power to prevent our town from making any sacrifices for them. We
need to somehow come together on these important issues of the environment. AS for financial competition from their village, I also fear that- for
example I as a business owner in town couldn't even consider setting up another shop/office in their overpriced village, but I will evolve and change
in order to keep myself competitive. I also find myself easing tensions of my peers in business over the same concerns.
Fly fishin' Pam
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jrbaja
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Pam
I'm not sure how long you've had your business there but haven't the number of clients increased every year?
The way it's going down here (everywhere in Baja) I don't think you will need 5000 poorly thought out homes to make your business successful!
Even if you had a bad rep (which I know you don't!) the tourism numbers are multiplying so rapidly you would still do well.
At least that's what I see happening in most areas, I'm not in the fishin bidness in Loreto so I could be mistaken about that!
Can I get a band for my Hawaiin sling in Loreto?
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BajaRob
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Jr
Was the snow photo you posted taken @ Laguna Hanson? Rob
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jrbaja
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Yes Rob
That's the place although it was 3 or 4 years ago.
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"One interesting mention in that GG article was about how the developers had pristine records in the US and Canada and great working relationships
based on governments that work the way they're used to."
No. Wrong. Incorrect. R O N G. Butterfield and Grogan do NOT have a pristine record, as I have explained in the past. (But nobody seems to listen
to me). Their Vancouver Bamberton project was scrapped entirely dut to political and financial difficulties. It was also touted as "sustainable"
blah, blah, blah - and in fact, I believe the Loreto Bay website has some of the same hype they used to push Bamberton. Their Civano project in
Tucson, after 10 years, is just now starting Phase II, their Town Center, as of 2003, was not yet a reality, and the neighborhood association was
vocal in their doubts and dissention regarding promises, promises, promises. The Civano project had the backing of the City of Tucson, Fannie Mae and
others - a far cry from the likes of FONATUR as a construction partner. Furthermore, the aggressive environmental goals of Civano had not been met as
to their objectives relating to transit oriented development and density. It has taken intense owner and neighborhood involvement to get Civano
where it is today - something that is not going to happen at Loreto Bay where there will be few permanent residents. I won't belabor this any longer
here. The point is, you need to do your own investigation and discover the truth. What the Loreto Bay developers state are sugar-coated half-truths.
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jrbaja
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Wrong Wilderone
("But nobody seems to listen to me"). There's a whole passle o people on this board besides the registered 1000 something members.
Just the majority of people out there are smart enough to keep quiet
But they're listening
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Hola!
Greetings all. I don't know the rep of the folks behind LB but I can only go on what I can read from here (the internet). Although I have lots of
opinions, it really doesn't matter what I think as the project is going to go anyway. Lots of folks here think that we're better off with LB's plan
than we would have been if FONATUR stuck to their original plan of high-rise hotels in that zona turistica and I agree with it.
JR- yes my business has seen constant growth so I can't complain but it is because I put so much into it and change when changes need to be made. In
my business its necessary to be accepted into the local community and I have accomplished that. Yes you can buy a hawaiian sling in Loreto but
currently you'llhae to use it outside the park, not my rules just the facts.
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jrbaja
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Thanks Pam
Not the sling, just the tubing for it. The sporting goods in Loreto has slings for cheaper than in the u.s. but what I need is just the band
replacements. Gracias.
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jrbaja
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Some interesting reading
from a couple years back.
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must have been in Baja.....
Ya ta hay! I guess I wasn't doin' my homework either as I totally missed the whole thread. I wasn't playing hard enough. Thanks JR for bringing that
up.
The project and it's designers certainly missed the boat when it came to the "regular hombre" in Loreto. Aside from the degradation of a pristine
area, my worries remain stage center on the displacement of residents in the next ten years.
Here is a French study of water resources and evaluation as a sustainable resource in Baja:
French study
[Edited on 7-23-2005 by Sharksbaja]
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Should bring this whole subject back up,since it's of a lot of interest to all Loreto residents. I've a lot of friends that look at this venture as a
kind of pyramid scheme. Get people's money to start the next part of the project. Any thoughts on that ???
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They're doing a damn good job of getting people's money. Getting in early is at a discounted price. Those that get in early on a project that works
out end up getting a good deal. Risky, but worth it if you do your homework.
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Jr wrote "How many more dupes are going to put their money into the destruction of an environment?
And how much environment will be destroyed in the process of bilking these people looking for a slice of paradise that is disappearing because of
their ignorance.
The developers won't care on their way to the bank, that's for damn sure!"
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son. You have characteristically displayed all 3 in this one post.
[Edited on 7-26-2005 by BajaNomad]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
Should bring this whole subject back up,since it's of a lot of interest to all Loreto residents. I've a lot of friends that look at this venture as a
kind of pyramid scheme. Get people's money to start the next part of the project. Any thoughts on that ??? |
Actually that's the way every development I've seen anywhere be it US or Mexico works. The early sales provide cash for more development.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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jrbaja
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Friend of Baja hahahahahahaha
This was a thread from a long time ago. Obviously you missed it. I'm pretty much done with discussing this project as I got bored with it a while
back.
You on the other hand, being a "friend of Baja" should by all means fill everyone in on what's really going on with your vast knowledge.
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Hard facts??
Dear Loreto Bay, Darlene Tate, Friend of Baja, et al:
While I agree that most of the criticism of the Villages project that I?ve read on this forum lately is ill informed and vague, I too have some
uneasiness about it all. You could help me, and probably some others who read it, get more comfortable if you would publish here some hard facts. I
don?t mean more press-release snippets or sales-brochure hype. I mean HARD facts.
A short wish list for factual reassurance might include:
Location of desal plant.
Source of power for same.
Salt disposal and heat dissipation scheme.
Ground-breaking DATE for same.
Type of eco-friendly power generation. Wind, solar, geo.
Location of power plant, windmill farm, solar array, etc.
Cost comparison with existing.
Ground breaking DATE for same.
Traffic impact figures for the Loreto/Nopol? corridor and mitigation plans.
What I think is most troubling is the absence in any definitive How, When, Where in what otherwise sound like right-thinking development ideas. I
think that if you can address your more thoughtful critics head on with answers to these types of questions they will feel better about what is taking
place. As far as the few who just vent spleen about Caboizing the peninsula, well, what can I say.
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I was in the San Diego airport in june, on my way to Loreto and overheard a group of people, in the bar of course, on their way to a "sales meeting"
at Loreto bay. One comment heard.."we've sold 160 million and only built one house" followed by a round of laughter..............
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Phil C
I think that you may have summed it up in a proverbial nutshell
Therianthropic
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jrbaja
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But with brilliant minds like this
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son. You have characteristically displayed all 3 in this one post.",
working on their team, most will be intelligent enough to see through this scam , No?
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