| Pages:
1
..
8
9
10
11
12
..
17 |
BajaGringo
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3922
Registered: 8-24-2006
Location: La Chorera
Member Is Offline
Mood: Let's have a BBQ!
|
|
Thanks for that last post Iflyfish. You articulated the very points I felt when reading Skeets last comments...
|
|
|
Bajahowodd
Elite Nomad
Posts: 9274
Registered: 12-15-2008
Location: Disneyland Adjacent and anywhere in Baja
Member Is Offline
|
|
Sheet. I worked hard for 35 years and apparently don't have anywhere near the wealth of fishy or skeets. God willing, what's left will still be
available to me when this current downturn smooths out. But I have to side with the fishy guy. Of all the idiotic shortcomings of this great nation of
ours, the ability to provide decent and respectable healthcare to everyone is paramount. Taking the burden from business will transform so many
businesses now in peril, and bring us to a standard that approximates the rest of our industrialized competitors. Who in the hell are the
conservatives trying to protect in this debate, by obstructing a move toward joining the the competetive free world, other than the fat cats that run
the health insurance industry that espouse as their mantra, deny, deny, deny. Folks, put aside your political differences. Provide a secure health
program for everyone that will enable our wonderful country to compete on a level playing field with the world.
[Edited on 3-12-2009 by Bajahowodd]
|
|
|
Barry A.
Select Nomad
Posts: 10007
Registered: 11-30-2003
Location: Redding, Northern CA
Member Is Offline
Mood: optimistic
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Sheet. I worked hard for 35 years and apparently don't have anywhere near the wealth of fishy or skeets. God willing, what's left will still be
available to me when this current downturn smooths out. But I have to side with the fishy guy. Of all the idiotic shortcomings of this great nation of
ours, the ability to provide decent and respectable healthcare to everyone is paramount. Taking the burden from business will transform so many
businesses now in peril, and bring us to a standard that approximates the rest of our industrialized competitors. Who in the hell are the
conservatives trying to protect in this debate, by obstructing a move toward joining the the competetive free world, other than the fat cats that run
the health insurance industry that espouse as their mantra, deny, deny, deny. Folks, put aside your political differences. Provide a secure health
program for everyone that will enable our wonderful country to compete on a level playing field with the world.
[Edited on 3-12-2009 by Bajahowodd] |
-------how you going to pay for it???
--------and with it, private insurance cannot compete----therefore our "standard of care" will slowly diminish as it is in other Countries with "univ
health care".
Without profit, few advances in knowledge.
(My last comment as I am off the net for a month) 
Barry
|
|
|
Skeet/Loreto
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4709
Registered: 9-2-2003
Member Is Offline
|
|
First Dave: Why did you not also Post a Photo of a very Rich Person???
Are you being Truthfull showing Reality or trying to show that there is only One level of Society to be aware of???
I Fly:Equal Rights? Resisted by Conservatives?? I challenge you to do a small investigation of the present day "Workmans Comp. Law in the State of
Calif.
Have you ever thought about why you have safe Milk to Drink and the Labor, Thought and Money to develop that Quart of Milk for You??
Some People have the ability to know what makes them Happy and unafraid- From the Milker to the Owner and Satisfied>
Autoworkers: I would wager that some of those Mexicano Field workers would love to see some of thos Union Workers producing a new Car that hey could
Afford.
Yes Health care is your Right, but it is not my Right to be forced to Pay for your Health Care. .Why should you set on your Duff, smoke DOPE, Drink
Boose, and injure yourself and then expect me to take care of You> No Way!
"It helps to be White"??? You have got to be Kidding- Wonder if Obama thinks that Way?
Take a look at any Commercial and tell me that a White Person has an Advantage.The only advantage at this point is that People of White Color have
control of most of the Wealth of this Country. Did no seem to affect Condi Rice or Colin Powell.
I was born in Poverty rasied myself through Work and Risk
A Black Person rasied in South CEntral LA born at the same time did not.
My fault or His??
Same question about China, India, Mexico. Why do some people excell in Character, Wealth, education,??
Do they aquire all these things if they are "Given" the chance ??
Might it be that they do not really want them but are being Lead by Fear to Think that someone owes them the Wealth.
The last area of concern:
I have a different take on this revoultion in the Voting Booth:
We have, since the 60's raised a Generation of "Fearful young People that have been lied to by the Liberal College Profs, The Media, The Drug Dealers,
The Commies, and generally those who beleive we are all equal-Work or Not/
Now this Generation which can be swayed very easily by the Mdeia were lead into the Polling Booth and directed to Whom to Vote . And that is fine,
that is the way it works, but one of these days that Generation will have to Pay, Just as my Generation has to pay Now.
At my Age, I know that I could start over again and do well. I am not Fearfull of any thing including my approaching demise nor any sense of failure
if I had to start again
Do not Fear!.
|
|
|
Iflyfish
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3747
Registered: 10-17-2006
Member Is Offline
|
|
Skeet:
For what it's worth, it is spring, and the sap is starting to flow again: A poem for you Skeet.
The Mending Wall: Robert Frost
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,
And spills the upper boulders in the sun,
And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.
The work of hunters is another thing:
I have come after them and made repair
Where they have left not one stone on a stone,
But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,
To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,
No one has seen them made or heard them made,
But at spring mending-time we find them there.
I let my neighbor know beyond the hill;
And on a day we meet to walk the line
And set the wall between us once again.
We keep the wall between us as we go.
To each the boulders that have fallen to each.
And some are loaves and some so nearly balls
We have to use a spell to make them balance:
'Stay where you are until our backs are turned!'
We wear our fingers rough with handling them.
Oh, just another kind of out-door game,
One on a side. It comes to little more:
There where it is we do not need the wall:
He is all pine and I am apple orchard.
My apple trees will never get across
And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.
He only says, 'Good fences make good neighbors'.
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
'Why do they make good neighbors? Isn't it
Where there are cows?
But here there are no cows.
Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That wants it down.' I could say 'Elves' to him,
But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather
He said it for himself. I see him there
Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top
In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.
He moves in darkness as it seems to me~
Not of woods only and the shade of trees.
He will not go behind his father's saying,
And he likes having thought of it so well
He says again, "Good fences make good neighbors."
|
|
|
Skeet/Loreto
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4709
Registered: 9-2-2003
Member Is Offline
|
|
Thanks Ifly:
I had the great pleasure of peronally meeting Robert Frost- The Artist who did the "Grand Tetons" paintingts.
The Man on the other side of the Fence reaches over and ask for Help.
I say Yes I will help you, What can I Do??
I would like you to give me 1/2 of your wealth>
Fine, come over an Labor with me while I strive to better myself and I shall Share with You while you better yourself.
Now tell me "Will you share 1/2 of that that you have received from me??
Skeet
|
|
|
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 65298
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
You see Skeet, the problem is the schools don't teach about American freedom, capitalism and personal responsibilty anymore...
The 'golden rule' today has become : To each according to his needs, From each accroding to his abilty. ... (Karl Marx) 
The blindness of those in power now is amazing... Communism has failed every place it was tried... people suffer, all have less, and only the few
party members live well (on the backs of the workers). China has success because they adopted capitalist methods and have 0 capital gains taxes...
THAT promotes growth.
Dropping the tax rate gives everyone more money to spend and THAT is what grows the economy, not government run programs! When tax rates are dropped,
the amount of revenue from taxes increases!
|
|
|
cantinflas
Junior Nomad
Posts: 75
Registered: 2-4-2009
Member Is Offline
|
|
The blindness in people forgetting about the last 8 years is even more amazing.
|
|
|
Terry28
Senior Nomad
Posts: 825
Registered: 8-25-2007
Location: S.Calif mtns.
Member Is Offline
Mood: Thirsty
|
|
PLEASE, PLEASE, SOMEBODY KILL THIS THREAD...
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
|
|
|
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 65298
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by cantinflas
The blindness in people forgetting about the last 8 years is even more amazing. |
Those last 8 years were wonderful for the most part, growth and job creation way up... and we are fortunate that we prevented any further attacks on
the U.S. by the actions of the Bush administration. The previous 8 years to Bush's, of inaction to the attack on the U.S.S. Cole and first World Trade
bombing, and other non-action against terrorism is what emboldened our enemies to carry out the 9-11 attack.
(you must be young and listen to MSNBC or CNN?)
|
|
|
Skeet/Loreto
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4709
Registered: 9-2-2003
Member Is Offline
|
|
The Blindness in people forgetting about the last 20 years is even more amazing!
News Flash Follows:
Last week in the small Central Valley Town of Dos palos Calif. the Principal of the Hi School was "let Go" , Yesterday morning at about 10 AM Most of
the students present got up and went to the Gym in Protest of that principal being "Let Go".
Thak is what it has come too: Students running the School because they are not in FEAR of gettin their Butts Busted for defying the Authority of their
P{arents and Elders.
Sure would be nice to line them up and give them all two good Licks of the Paddle like that I received from Principal E. L Hunter at the horce Mann
Elementary School in Texas.
Taught me Respect not FEAR.
cantiflas: I still have not forgotten Harry s. Truman nor will I ever forget Carter and 21% Interest Rate I had to get stuck with when I was first
starting out in Real Estate. Made me disrespect the Demos when it came to their knowledge of Money. Still do not have respect for their Money
programs
|
|
|
BajaGringo
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3922
Registered: 8-24-2006
Location: La Chorera
Member Is Offline
Mood: Let's have a BBQ!
|
|
I find it slightly disturbing how much some of you seem to value your monetary wealth obtained in life over all else on this planet. When I reach the
end of my days and measure my worth as a man I pray that it will be much more than just the money in my bank accounts, stock portfolio or real estate.
I strongly believe there was a lesson God wanted to make to us when he sent His Son to be born to a poor family, live a simple life of a carpenter and
who dedicated His life to helping others first and above all else. I guess he would be labled a "LOSER" by some of you that have posted here.
I sense that has a lot to do with what divides us on this issue and it saddens me greatly...
[Edited on 3-12-2009 by BajaGringo]
|
|
|
motoged
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6481
Registered: 7-31-2006
Location: Kamloops, BC
Member Is Offline
Mood: Gettin' Better
|
|
This thread has absolutely nothing to do with Baja
Aside from the limited scope of "either-or" thinking, it seems to suggest that anyone able to think outside the box of Attila the Hun's ideology is a
communist.
If the moderator is awake, would you please move this thread elsewhere.
Thank you.
Don't believe everything you think....
|
|
|
Iflyfish
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3747
Registered: 10-17-2006
Member Is Offline
|
|
I will sign off of this thread. I would rather be in Kamloops and be "fishing a lake a day as long as you stay". Some minds are not open to anything
new and resort to character assasination in the face of confrontation of delusion. These ad hominum arguments do nothing to promote dialogue or
increase understanding. Comitan was right. I rose to the bait, but then Iflyfish.
I want to clarify one issue. I guage my wealth not in terms of my net worth but in terms of the joy I have in my family and friends. I am not really
rich in terms most often considered as measures of wealth i.e. money. I am wealthy if one considers my means in relation to Slum Dog Millionaire, a
movie well worth viewing when we judge people as morally deficient because they are not wealthy or deam ourselves to have greater virtue because we do
posess more material culture.
Iflyfish
|
|
|
Skeet/Loreto
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4709
Registered: 9-2-2003
Member Is Offline
|
|
I have noticed that there is a lot more Posts by people asking about "What will happen to Baja as a result of the "Fear" that one will lose their
Life Savings and be unable to escape to Baja.
Motoged, there is nothing wrong about think"out of the Box", what is wrong is for you or anyone else is for you or them to make False statements while
supporting their Theories.
I think this has been a Good Thread and and ask that it continue.
|
|
|
baitcast
Super Nomad
Posts: 1785
Registered: 8-31-2003
Location: kingman AZ.
Member Is Offline
Mood: good
|
|
From off topic Food for thought.
Rob
What a profound short little paragraph that says it all!!!
"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person
must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half
of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea
that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot
multiply wealth by dividing it."
~~~~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers,1931
|
|
|
Bajahowodd
Elite Nomad
Posts: 9274
Registered: 12-15-2008
Location: Disneyland Adjacent and anywhere in Baja
Member Is Offline
|
|
Rogers, the evangelist preacher, should have stuck to saving the souls of his flock.
|
|
|
vandenberg
Elite Nomad
Posts: 5118
Registered: 6-21-2005
Location: Nopolo
Member Is Offline
Mood: mellow
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
I find it slightly disturbing how much some of you seem to value your monetary wealth obtained in life over all else on this planet. When I reach the
end of my days and measure my worth as a man I pray that it will be much more than just the money in my bank accounts, stock portfolio or real estate.
I strongly believe there was a lesson God wanted to make to us when he sent His Son to be born to a poor family, live a simple life of a carpenter and
who dedicated His life to helping others first and above all else. I guess he would be labled a "LOSER" by some of you that have posted here.
I sense that has a lot to do with what divides us on this issue and it saddens me greatly...
[Edited on 3-12-2009 by BajaGringo] |
You're in dire need of a pulpit.
Maybe Skeet will build you one.
|
|
|
Baja Bernie
`Normal` Nomad Correspondent
Posts: 2962
Registered: 8-31-2003
Location: Sunset Beach
Member Is Offline
Mood: Just dancing through life
|
|
Jesse
You nailed it as usual.............Seems far too many folks have learned that using fear is the most effective way to force other folks into places
they do not wish to be.
I try to keep my signature upper most in mind when being pushed about by the fear mongers.................
Still pleased to call you--'friend'
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
|
|
|
toneart
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4901
Registered: 7-23-2006
Member Is Offline
Mood: Skeptical
|
|
Thank you Jesse for starting this thread.
Thank you Bernie for showing up. We missed you. You have a lot to teach us all, in your prose and by example.
Thank you Iflyfish for so eloquently and so clearly stating what should be the obvious. Unfortunately it is obvious only to those who can open their
eyes and their minds.
Thank you BajaGringo for your insightful contributions. As with the the title of this string, I FEAR that that you have really delineated the
boundries that divide us as a country. It saddens me too.
Yesterday I went fishing. I caught a couple. I also drank a cerveza, wrote a poem and continued to think about this string and this forum. The
conclusion I came to is this: We are all expressing who we are through our writings here. Sharing who you all are is enlightning. I have learned a lot
that is constructive. I have also revisited the conclusion that political discussions aren't going to change any minds.
Some are hard wired to live in the dark. It is a waste of time to try changing minds.
So-o-o-o-o....I'm going fishing again tomorrow. 
|
|
|
| Pages:
1
..
8
9
10
11
12
..
17 |
![[*]](images/xmbforum/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
