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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 03:11 PM


"You can cast one vote every day for your favorite rescue organization."

A very generous organization creates a competition, establishes their rules, and offers nice rewards. Is there no one with recent posts that finds anything unsavory about devising a way to CHEAT, actively attempting to teach the means of CHEATING, and proudly reporting the number of times they've cheated? (Ok Vandenberg I acknowledge that you did hedge a tiny bit)

I'd be curious to know what kind of techniques you teach your kids to help them cheat on tests in school.

I'm sure someone will TRY to justify their behavior. Bring it on. In football, the rules say you aren't allowed to gouge-out the eyes of your opponent, in boxing you are prohibited from biting off your opponents ear, in this contest you are prohibited from voting more than once a day.

These generous donors will now have to spend money, they could have spent on protecting pets, to hire IT people to make it impossible for you people to rig the contest. That's part of Baja Nomad that does NOT make me proud.:no:



[Edited on 11-7-2009 by vgabndo]




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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 03:59 PM


I accept what Vagabundo says, we are showing no ethics in what we are doing, therefore I'm deleting my original post, and all following posts, and would hope that everyone else does the same thing.



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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 04:26 PM


"It isn't whether you win or lose, but how you play the game." Is that just a nieve old saw left over from the "Finest Generation" or is there, in fact, some validity to winning honestly or proudly losing while playing fair?

Your Yiddish proverb works here DT. A person who knowingly does not play by the rulers cannot be trusted. If a person can't be trusted, what do they have left?

Situational ethics??? It seems to this old college drop-out that most of the philosophical mental masturbation around Situational Ethics turns out to be fairly narrow in scope.

That said, I live in a country where the national religion is structured to allow a miscreant to self-forgive and continue down the same crooked path. I think that the IT folks previously mentioned should just fix is so anyone who cheats loses their privilege to vote even ONCE a day. Then it will be a contest for honest folks.

It won't likely make any difference, but my one daily vote is likely lost because I don't participate in rigged contests.




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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 04:31 PM


Okay, Vagabundos,
You made your point and a very valid one.
But, this doesn't have to mean we shouldn't vote any more. Let's keep it honest and obey the rules.
Please Wiley, repost the site.

[Edited on 11-7-2009 by vandenberg]




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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 04:34 PM


Vagabundo

Do you think for one instant that any one of us didn't know what we were doing, we just didn't need it brought to our attention. we felt that we were doing something good.




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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 04:35 PM


Vandy...I'm with you all the way. Taking down the link, I judge, is too extreme. Let's just play fair.



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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 04:36 PM


peepoor reasoning Wiley.
Just post the site.




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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 04:45 PM


Quote:
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It won't likely make any difference, but my one daily vote is likely lost because I don't participate in rigged contests.



Seemingly, I do. I vote once a day and won't take responsibility for the actions of others. I won't comment on the morality of their methods either. My efforts are mine alone.
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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 04:47 PM


Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by comitan
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clickToGive/shelterchalle...


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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 05:10 PM


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Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by comitan
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clickToGive/shelterchalle...




Thanks sainted one :lol::lol:




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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 05:24 PM


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Thanks sainted one :lol::lol:



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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 06:16 PM


Bless you all. I am operating here from the point of view that elders in our society have an obligation to point out to their friends and neighbors (cyber or otherwise) when they slip out of integrity. I just happen to have a couple of years of training, now, that has put me in a position to be very grateful to anyone who knows me who will call me if I am screwing-up. What a gift to have people around me to help be hold the line against that part of myself that I might wish to hide, repress, or deny. I could NEVER expect another to read my comments if I was not openly inviting others to hold me accountable for my own actions.

You WERE trying to do something good. We all were. I just think we can do that without having a mouth full of ear. (reference to previous post:lol:)

Let's hear some suggestions for how we can get many more people than now to vote just once a day. I sent the link to both the big address lists I have, and one of these non-Baja people, at least, has reported that they are voting for La Paz every day. I trust there are more.




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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 06:31 PM


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You WERE trying to do something good. We all were. I just think we can do that without having a mouth full of ear. (reference to previous post:lol:)



Absolutly. Perhaps the method was a bit over-zealous but, the intent was pure.
It serves no purpose to dive into the philosophical goo of ends justifying means so, I hope everybody involved with this effort will continue to get out the vote and we all can give it our best. A noble effort is a win in itself.
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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 06:39 PM


Did a little searching and found the following quotes relating to other organizations in the contest.


"And all the follow-on days, you won't have to type in XXXXXXX or anything because it will remember your vote on that computer and you can skip steps 4 and 5. I run around my house every day and vote on each computer I have (you can only vote once per computer)."

"You can vote every day from all computers you have, but only once a day, until December 20th. "

"On the days I'm working, I get 9 votes in.
It lets me vote on every computer.
Plus I get my vote in on my home computer.
So most days I'm getting 10 votes in daily."

We are not the only ones to vote multiple times, just happen to be a little smarter to figure out the cookie trick.

(May have to edit this post as I've been searching and copying for a while......)

As in every situation involving personal ethics....be it harvesting seafood out of season, speeding, mordida, voting more than once, or any other situation, follow your heart and you'll sleep at night.



[Edited on 11-8-2009 by BajaNuts]

[Edited on 11-8-2009 by BajaNuts]
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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 06:44 PM


Quote:
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You WERE trying to do something good. We all were. I just think we can do that without having a mouth full of ear. (reference to previous post:lol:)



Absolutly. Perhaps the method was a bit over-zealous but, the intent was pure.
It serves no purpose to dive into the philosophical goo of ends justifying means so, I hope everybody involved with this effort will continue to get out the vote and we all can give it our best. A noble effort is a win in itself.


Maybe the ends do not justify the means----I seldom believe they do. But maybe it is not just a black and white world, and maybe situational ethics are far more than mental masturbation---it all depends on many points of view, and maybe it is more that philosophical goo----but then again, most of us will continue to see the world from our own perspectives---and that is always situational.

So, yes, cast the first stone.

A taste for truth at any cost is a passion which spares nothing.
Albert Camus

[Edited on 11-8-2009 by DianaT]




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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 06:49 PM


"A half truth is a whole lie." ~Yiddish Proverb


Is this situational?
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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 06:54 PM


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"A half truth is a whole lie." ~Yiddish Proverb


Is this situational?


Can be----most definitely. Truth and the path to truth can be found in many places,

and another quote from one of my favorite people,

Ralph Waldo Emerson === Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.




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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 06:57 PM


just edited my post on pg 10 to include-

As in every situation involving personal ethics....be it harvesting seafood out of season, speeding, mordida, voting more than once, or any other situation, follow your heart and you'll sleep at night.
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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 07:00 PM


BajaNuts

Excellent post. My sympathies exactly :O:O




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[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 07:07 PM


Quote:
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just edited my post on pg 10 to include-

As in every situation involving personal ethics....be it harvesting seafood out of season, speeding, mordida, voting more than once, or any other situation, follow your heart and you'll sleep at night.


Very well stated. It is good, IMHO, to see that Existentialism is alive and well.




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