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BajaGringo
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And the reported affairs just keep popping up in the news. Some have given some pretty intimate details and my guess is Tiger's image is pretty well
trashed forever; even if he does exceed Jack's 18 majors.
If he does, it will probably be something akin to Bonds passing Aaron's homer mark...
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Not Just Mexico
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
It surprises me that no one has brought up how this story has played out in Mexico, a country where "The other woman" is part of the culture. I
wouldn't be surprised to learn that, down here, Tiger's mortal sin wasn't that he cheated but, that he got caught. |
The idea of a man having a wife separate and apart from other women he sleeps with can be found in many cultures that cross many religions. Think of
places like Europe and Japan. American culture arises from its Puritan roots and I doubt that whether it's Tiger Woods or the Prime Minister of Italy,
much of the rest of the world would look at this with little more than passive bemusement, if that.
That said, I really don't see how vgabndo can remotely suggest that I would somehow condone rape. Where'd that come from?
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Howard,
What you say is true regarding our puritanical roots. However, you are confusing two different moral standards. You are talking about
puritanical/sexual morals. Vgabndo and Diver is talking about Trust; a measure of honor; a pact with himself, his wife, his family and every other
person with whom he maintains a contract dependent on reciprocity. 
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Moral standards.... you must be kidding.. with a $300,000,000 dollar prenup... I suppose there is some ground for the "morality argument"
However, something is broken when over 70% of the male population is not married and the divorce rate is , I'll use a conservative number 48.5%. Plus
recent polls indicated that more than at least 50% of all married couples admit to having extramarital affairs.
Not condoning it.. at all.. just that is the way it is today in the United States of America.
Hero's the like of Kobe, Tiger, Ana Nicole Smith el al.... ahhhhhh morality.. I don't think so..
Reflection of our "culture" and "values" think so.. and I'm sure that Tiger would rather be "rollin" in an Escalade bumbin strong, than in that
Buick.. but he have to say good by to the endorsements and the ability to play golf with the nice kids....
Man this is to close to Orange County Housewife's... I'm gone
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Tony. I get confused easily. But can you explain, then, given the attitudes of, say, the Europeans, how does that fit? Are you saying that a wife in
Europe expects her husband to have a dalliance now and then, so there is no dependence on trust?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Tony. I get confused easily. But can you explain, then, given the attitudes of, say, the Europeans, how does that fit? Are you saying that a wife in
Europe expects her husband to have a dalliance now and then, so there is no dependence on trust? |
Yes! Some cultures are more promiscuous. It is considered more normal and done with a wink and a nod, usually by the male and it doesn't matter much,
in those cultures, the the woman doesn't like it or is hurt.
I am saying, in whatever culture, trust is whatever agreement you make. What Vgabndo and Diver is talking about is the agreements they made
with their wives, presumably Love driven. That agreement is expected to be honored through hard times and times of temptation. If that is the
agreement you make, you have to expect that it works both ways. Would you want to be honoring your side of the pact and unbeknownst to you, your wife
is cheating?
Some couples, in our culture too, engage in an "open relationship"; it is OK to have sixx with other people. For them, that would have nothing to do
with fidelity or Love or trust. It is merely a body exchange...recreation. For them, that is their agreement. They trust that their marriage
will endure. I am not condoning this. It wouldn't work for me, but for others, it has saved marriages.
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Funny thing is that I just heard a piece by Michael Josephson (Character Counts) berating the media for hyping the Woods story. Josephson considers
himself among the world's premier ethicists. Still think it goes back to what I was saying about the Puritans. We love to condemn folks for what is
considered unethical (or more pointedly in this country, immoral) behavior. But what we love even more is to wallow in the joy of it. Holier than thou
comes to mind.
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We need a good Baptist here to settle this once and for all...
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Flirting With the Oxymarooon.
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We need a good Baptist here to settle this once and for all...
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Hit me!
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I saw in some UK tabloid, that some new skanks surfaced.
They're not getting any prettier.
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Eight Mistresses To Date - More to Surface?
"The Many Troubles of Tiger Woods: A Mistress Dossier (Updated)"
http://gawker.com/5419853/the-many-troubles-of-tiger-woods-a...
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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Eight Mistresses To Date - More to Surface?
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So this will probably turn into some unavoidable sex addiction deal and everybody will feel sorry for Tiger if he receives counseling.
Poor baby. He couldn't help himself.
Oh well, I'm a Phil Mickelson fan anyway.
[Edited on 12-7-2009 by DENNIS]
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Odd Analogy ?
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"If he does, it will probably be something akin to Bonds passing Aaron's homer mark"... "
Bonds used Steroids to improve his game.
Perhaps Woods used Viagra, but it was for a different game and the strokes don't go into the record book.
Well, none of the record books that count.
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True Mr. Bill, I only meant that there was a serious lack of public celebration of Bond's passing the HR mark and I suspect the same will happen with
Tiger if he passes Jack's major's mark.
The reasons are different but I suspect the end result will be the same...
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Thanks I needed that
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and that "Cadillac Margarita" sounds really good right now.. what is it?.. oh, that's right we are supposed to stay on topic.. Does Tiger Woods drink
Cadillac Margarita's
[Edited on 12-7-2009 by wessongroup]
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I think we ought to set up a Cadillac Margarita booth at the next convention of the southern Baptists. That should really enlighten them a bit...
Official BajaGringo Cadillac Margarita Recipe
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oh Man! I could use one of those Cadillac Margies right now!
I'm off-line for days and now trying to catch up! or is it Ketchup?
ANYWAY-
In response to the theory that it is normal for a male to mate with as many females of their species as possible, I would counter that it is also the
instinct of the females of the species to search out and mate with the strongest of the species.
SO- when little miss Secretary gets caught in bed with the boss, it's not her fault, she's not a floozy, she's just doing her part as dictated by
evolution to strengthen the species as she looks to the strongest man in her "world"!
Now, .....that is the "devil-made-me-do-it" excuses, and I really appreciate Toneart's comments on commitment and honor.
What is acceptable in some people's personal relationships which may involve multiple partners, may not be acceptable in another's relationship.
When a person makes a promise to be faithful to one person, they should honor that promise or get out. There are "open" relationships where both
partners are free to engage in whatever extra-marital relationships they desire and the other partner knows and agrees to those terms.
And often people marry and then quickly realize it was a mistake. Get out, move on~~~
Carrying on long-term extra-marital affairs is not good!
I haven't even looked at the tabloid expose's of "the other women", because I think it's a lot of feeding frenzy right now, so I'll wait to see what
bait rises to the top and what sinks to the bottom....
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I've just been mildly amused reading this thread. In many other cultures, what Tiger did would be a non-issue. The French are probably saying
something like, "WTF is all the commotion about?" The Mexicans have the same attitude, and it is even ingrained into their societal values. In Mexico,
a man can get a group health insurance policy that covers himself, his wife, kids, parents, MISTRESS and CONCUBINE.
[Edited on 12-7-2009 by arrowhead]
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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5800 plus views of this topic. I wonder if this matches Tiger's strokes?
I missed it, did she use his driver or wood?
Iflyfish
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BUT~ arrowhead~
can a wife get a health insurance policy for her husband, her kids, their parents, her lover, her slave and that good-looking pool-cleaner-guy?
NO???? She can't get that insurance? ????
WTH? Why NOT?
OOOHHHH! WOMEN are not supposed to have more than one (..uuuhhmmm.... keeping it polite here.....) malepersonalprivatepart
while males are allowed to wander their privates all over the place!
It wasn't too many years ago when it was "allowed" that the "Massa" could have his way with anny purrty young thin' that was in his "possession"...
Just saying, what's good for the gander is good for the goose....
don't go saying that's it socially acceptable for the male to "step out" but not for the female to "step out"...............
If it's acceptable in French and Mexican cultures for the males to have extra-marital affairs, then the males of those cultures should be equally
acceptable to their females of having extra-marital affairs.
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