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k-rico
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I don't understand what you don't understand nor what you said.
This is fun.
[Edited on 12-24-2009 by k-rico]
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
And I'm also smart enough to realize what you guys are saying about agreeing to a policy and then violating it is tough to swallow.
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please explain the above quote.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
And I'm also smart enough to realize what you guys are saying about agreeing to a policy and then violating it is tough to swallow.
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please explain the above quote. |
Are you into torture?
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Timo1
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do you guys have ANY idea what each other is saying ????
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DENNIS
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It's starting to sound like a bar conversation right around "Last Call." 
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oldlady
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I think I do understand them...scary....I'm heading for an early egg nog to watch this knife fight.
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wessongroup
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How about this:
Oh, so good our company has a written "POLICY" for everything including drugs, lunch breaks, how you talk on the jobs, what is sexual harassment, what
jokes can be told, you can't do drugs and we will test, a policy which takes away from individual freedoms while on and off the JOB, based on to many
subjective social mores ... with always "we have rewritten the policy to address X... now everything will work right, or we will change the written
policy so it will work right and we will be in compliance with XXX take your pick for justification.. and the POLICY says....
Get real, all policy's do is point out our failures to be able to do a task with the basic human values of: honesty, thrift and individual
accountability for ones actions, tied to the fact that it's the individual's response ability to just DO iT... but, then we would lose, human
resources, exit interviews and all the other things which contribute to our "well oiled" model of "production" here in the U.S.. and exactly what is
it that we produce anymore.. take a look at the GDP !!
Just a question, how many Mexican run small business have "written policy" on these issues.. and is it required by Mexican Law? Thanks in advance for
"real" examples in Mexico... 
[Edited on 12-24-2009 by wessongroup]
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k-rico
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I think 3 finger lid Ken and I understand each other.
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Woooosh
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On the "snow cat" thing. I was a corporate trainer for Vail Associates in the late 80's- early 90's. They implemented pre-hire and random drug
testing for all positions. After one season they threw the policy away. They couldn't find enough drug-free employees in town and the labor pool is
geographically limited. Not many ski bums were willing to give up the herb for a low paying 6 month temporary position. It was interesting to watch
a drug policy go the other way- in favor of the druggies.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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oldlady
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Wesson: Bingo! What we neglected in this discourse is that most HR policies are developed in compliance with government legislation and policies,
union contracts and protection from possible litigation. Much of that does not exist at all in Mexico.
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wessongroup
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Thanks much... used to be, a long time ago, you would ask for a job, the owner would look at you, ask a few questions and that was that... if you
messed up.. your down the road, kicking horse apples ..
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monoloco
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In many states the use of marijuana is legal with a doctor's recommendation. If company policy can trump state law would it be okay for a company to
have a policy banning the use of tobacco in an employees free time or the use of Prozac or Vicodan even with a doctors prescription? There are plenty
of prescription medications that affect an employees performance worse than marijuana.
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oldlady
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I know that some companies have been making an effort to ban the hiring of employees who smoke cigarettes. I didn't follow the progress. Part of the
motivation was that a non-smoking work force would lower their group insurance premiums.
Company policies frequently are more strict than state law. I wouldn't use the word "trump". For example, it is not at all uncommon for a company to
search employees briefcases upon entering or leaving company property...no probable cause required.
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monoloco
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I am afraid that in the future companies will want to get rid of employees for a variety of reasons unrelated to job performance such as genetic
markers for certain diseases, chance of becoming pregnant, or age. This is the downside of a private profit based health insurance system.
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oldlady
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Not a chance. The movement in this country is toward more government regulation and strengthening of unions. Isn't that abundantly clear? Wish I
had a dollar for every hour I spent just in the last ten years of my career sitting in meetings where the latest regulatory details were laid out.
None have been removed. That's what legislators and government agencies do for a living.
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wessongroup
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Again thanks, and that's the truth...
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Packoderm
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Smokers are the worst. They insist on cigarette breaks that seem to get longer and more often. I'd rather work for a firm that did not allow smokers,
but it's the American in me that would not favor testing to see if somebody lit up Saturday night.
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Packoderm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldlady
I know that some companies have been making an effort to ban the hiring of employees who smoke cigarettes. I didn't follow the progress. Part of the
motivation was that a non-smoking work force would lower their group insurance premiums.
Company policies frequently are more strict than state law. I wouldn't use the word "trump". For example, it is not at all uncommon for a company to
search employees briefcases upon entering or leaving company property...no probable cause required. |
I know, I know how it goes - the employee has been stealing briefcases!
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wessongroup
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supply them with "chew" and a place to spit...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
Smokers are the worst. They insist on cigarette breaks that seem to get longer and more often. |
The unions that do all this insisting are far more insidious than the smokers. When you want to clean up a mess, you have to start at the bottom.
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