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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I myself am curious at the amount the family spent on the recovery operation so far, and accounting how that money was spent.
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You gotta be kidding, Joe. How is this any of your business? Did you contribute to the fund?
Move on to something else.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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EnsenadaDr
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I'd like to talk to the Rancher myself and find out why he didn't use the money to hire the cowboys Joe, but I guess his name is top secret as well.
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EnsenadaDr
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Yes you told me to shut up and you would never answer a U2U from me again. So what do you want me to do now Dan, go in a corner and cry? Your
intimidation and nasty comments might be effective with other people in your life, but not me. So then, did YOU read my question as to why didn't you
ask the Rancher what happened to the pesos you gave him for hiring a search party? And if you don't want to ask, perhaps someone else will. That's
great, apparently no one cares about any of the suggestions we had here to further the investigation and get some answers. Just empty the ice chest
and throw away any evidence we can find to forget the whole thing. I mean after all we are all a bunch of old retired gringos who have nothing better
to do than to sit 24 hours a day on this board and appear to want to help a distraught family (NOT!) I believe many were in earnest in trying to raise
money for others that have been injured etc. but I guess this is all a joke on us, and for Ron Hoff (who has changed his name to Ron Gomez on Facebook
and runs his Talk Baja forum now from Facebook) that called me a meddling gossip, it's ok for you to have a member of a site that is known to hate
Baja as his moderator and no one can ask him or you why he allows this person to continue his tirade on Baja and stating that a woman that drowned in
Ensenada is the kind of person that would be attracted to Baja. He has the biggest gossip around on his FB page that doesn't even live in Baja and
moved away from it because he hates Baja so much. Let's Talk Baja and not BS, please.
[Edited on 6-29-2014 by EnsenadaDr]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Stop it. Please. There are no answers. Let it go to "cold case." |
Would that be the one with the Pacifico in it ?  
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I myself am curious at the amount the family spent on the recovery operation so far, and accounting how that money was spent.
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You gotta be kidding, Joe. How is this any of your business? Did you contribute to the fund?
Move on to something else. |
I was going to add at the end of my earlier post Shut up Dennis!
I have told you many times Dennis, you are not the final arbitrator.
I'm also tired of being spoon fed information, and then when anything is questioned, you hear from the peanut gallery, " watch what you say, and think
of the family." The peanut gallery uses that like a club to shut up any 'Nomads" they think is getting out of line, and it has been used against you
too Dennis.
I also don't like the fact that Janene is attacked in this thread all the time. I don't agree with Janane on many things, but I don't bash her just
because I don't agree with her or like the questions she is asking.
There is nothing wrong with asking a few limited money trail question. if the family or others don't want to answer, that's up to them, but people
will be wondering.
[Edited on 6-29-2014 by JoeJustJoe]
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EnsenadaDr
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What do you mean Joe you don't agree with me all the time? I thought we were like Ebony and Ivory, living in perfect harmony (just referring to the lyrics, not our colors!!)
[Edited on 6-29-2014 by EnsenadaDr]
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EnsenadaDr
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NO Dan, YOU are the investigator not me. I didn't get paid to go investigate, you did. And money paid or not, there are questions that you should be
asking and not leave hanging. Yes I realize a lot of this was done voluntarily, a lot of it was done for practically no money on your part, but
closure in this case is critical. Like why the Rancher kept the family's money. Like if the search had been conducted months ago when you gave the
Rancher the money Gary's remains might have been found. Give someone else the Rancher's number, like the Catavina police department for keeping funds
that were supposed to be used to find Gary. You are obstructing vital information like the Rancher's phone number to ask him what happened to the
search team. I could go down there if I got paid like you did or I knew where the Rancher was but you are not willing to release that information.
Since you know the Rancher's name and number, you could make that call from the comfort of your own home and report the stolen pesos. | Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
Apparently my comments were effective doc or you would not be bringing them up as you do but that was not my intent. You can sit behind your computer
and spout out anything you like and keep asking all of these questions, which most have been answered. I have gone the extra mile with attempting to
find some closure for the family. I went looking for him with Bajaguy and followed up with the authorities several times and met in person with the
family in OC. Have you stepped out your door and got into your car and driven down there and conducted your own search? Have you picked up the phone
and called the Catavina PD and asked them any questions? NO...
I have tried really hard to answer questions presented not only by you but others and I did mention that if there was something to report regarding
the rancher or the "cowboys" I or the family would post it but there is nothing to report. How more clear can I be. Of course I was rude with my
answers to you but if you would just read what is posted and not go on a rant and suggest I was intimidating and making nasty comments I guess I had
to so that you would just GET IT--- but I was way wrong.
As far as the orange juice container is concerned Garys brother threw it away. It's gone Janene and if you want I could probably find out what trash
can he put it in and maybe you could go to Catavina and locate it.
Now you want to personally contact the rancher? COLD DAY IN HELL...
By the way, I never told you to "shut up" I merely told you to stop sending me u2u"s.
If you are so intent on gaining information and are obviously consumed with this I suggest you go down there yourself. PLEASE. Do it Janene. This will
show me and everyone else on this board that you are really concerned and want to get the answers I won't give you. Actually I have answered
everything I know so please gas up your car and head out. |
[Edited on 6-29-2014 by EnsenadaDr]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
Garys ex-wife, Kim, called last night and I thought I would let you all know the recent news.
Garys brother, Dave, went to Catavina last week and took possession of the 4 Runner. All that was needed was a jump and to fill the tires with air and
he was off. Everything I mentioned in a prior email was in the car and nothing was missing except for the change and the container the change was in,
his wallet, and a few other small items. Dave emptied the ice chest so we will not know if there were any expiration dates on the orange juice. His
clothes were all neatly folded.
The cameras were also retrieved. The last photos taken on the card were that of the little memorial that was mentioned before and nothing after
September 05, 2013.
The Catavina police told Dave that the tow charges were $800.00 and he said that he didn't have that kind of money with him. Eventually the tow guy
was paid $40.00 and he took it as payment in full after going around and around a few times. The tow guy said that the 40 would pay for his gas and
all was good.
Dave did not go to the ranchers home or check out the area where the vehicle was found. The Catavina told Dave that they didn't want him out there
especially in the heat and him not being familiar with the area. They told him that they didn't want him to end up like his brother.
That is all for now. I don't blame Dave for not attempting to search at this time. I told Kim that with all the time that has passed nothing will
change for the next few months and when they are ready for a search to proceed in October or November when it cools off quite a bit.
Just wanted to keep you informed for now. This is ALL I know right now so if you have questions please post them and maybe we can see if they can be
answered.
Thanks again for all your help. I know the family really appreciates your posts and input. |
Just curious, but did the police have any ideas about what could have happened? Considering where the truck was found and if there was any foul play
maybe they would have some insight? Or are they as baffled as everyone is?
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lizard lips
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I was paid for expenses Janene. All of what I did was out of pocket after the small money paid by the family.
I will not answer you again Janene. I WILL POST IF ANYTHING IS WORTHY OF POSTING REGARDING THE RANCHER.
Don't bother asking me any further questions as I will not respond.
I suggest AGAIN-You go down there if you are so interested.
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EnsenadaDr
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It's very evident that you are covering up where the money for the search went and protecting a criminal who took this family's money and now won't
have to answer for it. | Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
I was paid for expenses Janene. All of what I did was out of pocket after the small money paid by the family.
I will not answer you again Janene. I WILL POST IF ANYTHING IS WORTHY OF POSTING REGARDING THE RANCHER.
Don't bother asking me any further questions as I will not respond.
I suggest AGAIN-You go down there if you are so interested. |
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lizard lips
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Mexitron-Catavina PD don't have anything to report. They were asked and don't have a clue. They even said it was strange that the vehicle appeared
where it did after the rancher found it and said he didn't see it in December. I tend to believe now that the rancher may be wrong but he told me
in-person that he was confident that the 4 Runner was not there prior to December.
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MMc
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Like I said, I feel for the family
I think there are folks that just love to keep this thing going for some twisted reason.
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
| Quote: | Originally posted by MMc
Wild supposition and poo slinging. I feel for the family.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
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close this thread..................PLEASE! |
why? the mystery remains! where is Gary? |
does anyone really think he's going to materialize? the truck is returned, what's left? |
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cmon Mac, nothing wild here. I'm not trying to offend anyone today and I'm sure Gary isn't coming back. call it intuition......
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"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
... closure in this case is critical. |
Good luck with that. You may be sorely disappointed. 
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Forget closure. I wish we could invoke cloture.
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EnsenadaDr
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You figure it out. Lizard Lips gave money to the Rancher to pay for a search party. Granted, no one knows how much he gave him a few months ago. I
have been asking the question ad nauseum what happened to the searchers which no one has answered...so why won't he ask the Rancher where the money
went? What other scenario can you conclude? | Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
It's very evident that you are covering up where the money for the search went and protecting a criminal who took this family's money and now won't
have to answer for it. |
Is that right? Where's the evidence?
[Edited on 6-29-2014 by SFandH] |
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JZ
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
It's very evident that you are covering up where the money for the search went and protecting a criminal who took this family's money and now won't
have to answer for it. | Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
I was paid for expenses Janene. All of what I did was out of pocket after the small money paid by the family.
I will not answer you again Janene. I WILL POST IF ANYTHING IS WORTHY OF POSTING REGARDING THE RANCHER.
Don't bother asking me any further questions as I will not respond.
I suggest AGAIN-You go down there if you are so interested. |
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Jesus, what the hell is wrong with you. Get back on your meds.
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JZ
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
You figure it out. Lizard Lips gave money to the Rancher to pay for a search party. Granted, no one knows how much he gave him a few months ago. I
have been asking the question ad nauseum what happened to the searchers which no one has answered...so why won't he ask the Rancher where the money
went? What other scenario can you conclude? | Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
It's very evident that you are covering up where the money for the search went and protecting a criminal who took this family's money and now won't
have to answer for it. |
Is that right? Where's the evidence?
[Edited on 6-29-2014 by SFandH] |
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It's none of your business crazy lady. Just freaking stop it.
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It seems that would be between LL and Gary's family..Why are you sticking your nose in, Doc? I dont think I have ever seen so many dumb questions and
comments from any one person...give it up....or (and I know this wont happen) go down there your self....Its south off of Hiway 1...You can likely
find hiway 1 cant you? Maybe not....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
It's very evident that you are covering up where the money for the search went and protecting a criminal who took this family's money and now won't
have to answer for it. |
Really Doc? Really? You're now calling the rancher a criminal?
Do you know for a fact he and his friends did NOT search the area for a couple of days? Hell, maybe he's been searching for free during his daily
"pony rides" around his ranch as he tends his heard!
The only thing criminal here is your obsession with this case. Please, please, please, give it a rest!
You have no idea of the massive effort it could take to search that desolate area. As Lizard Lips has suggested, fill up your tank with gas, take a
couple of extra jerry cans, and take a drive down there to scope it out, then report back.
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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Janene,
Consider the payment to the rancher compensation for digging Gary's Toy out of the sand, towing it to the safety of his ranch, and contacting the
police in Catavina.
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