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DianaT
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Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNuts
As in every situation involving personal ethics....be it harvesting seafood out of season, speeding, mordida, voting more than once, or any other
situation, follow your heart and you'll sleep at night. |
Well said.
My heart says that the fair thing in this situation is to follow the rules the generous providers of this contest have set up, (i.e.1 vote per person
per day). So how do I deal with the fact that many others-- some of them fellow Nomads-- are gleefully defrauding the contest originators, thereby
reducing the impact of my honest vote, by scorning those clear conditions?
Part of what makes a society function is agreement on a set of rules for the mutual good. Sometimes those rules are imposed without representation on
required daily activities and may be difficult to follow (for example 60km/hr speed limit on some Mexican freeways). Those are an interesting moral
question.
The obvious contempt for the rules in this particular case-- a completely optional activity where the prize is a charitable donation-- is also morally
interesting. And to me, disappointing. 
--Larry |
What I find interesting is the disappointment. It always amazes when anyone places personal disappointment or personal pride in a group of people who
have registered for an internet forum. Somehow, there seems to be this illusive family feeling.
OK, most here either do, or have visited Baja or live there full or part time, but that is it---no more, no less.
Yes, we have found information here that had helped us, and we in turn have been able to offer assistance---assistance that would have been offered
regardless of a forum membership----and I well imagine that holds true for many. We have met some nomads we like and now consider friends, some with
whom we enjoyed a passing meeting, and some we don't care if we ever see again and there are some we hope to never meet in person.
But that is it! If one of my children demonstrated a moral value system which I found wrong, with that I would be disappointed. If one of them
suddenly became a supporter of Sarah Palin, that would cause me distress and a feeling of disappointment.
I just find it interesting and maybe a study on how this fairly new technology gives people a different since of friendship, family, a sense of
belonging.
Lencho, this is not really a message to you even though I used your quote---it is more a musing about the nature of forums.
I sincerely respect those who see and feel the unethical behavior, but I also respect and feel the other side who have a very different perspective of
this situation.
Just some thoughts about the nature of internet forums.
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Dianamo
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just moving the link to the last post
I'm in for only one vote today!
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clickToGive/home.faces?si...
Minds are like parachutes...they only function when open!
\"The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men.\" - Plato
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lizard lips
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Ok......
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DENNIS
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I'm in.
This link takes you right to the ballot box.
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Bajagypsy
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voted!
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Please, someone try and bring the link to a new post and back on the front page.
I tried and it didn't work. Didn't get to the voting part.
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DENNIS
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Here it is Ed. Just quote this post then cut 'n paste the link.
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clickToGive/shelterchalle...
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DianaT
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Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
What I find interesting is the disappointment. It always amazes when anyone places personal disappointment or personal pride in a group of people who
have registered for an internet forum. Somehow, there seems to be this illusive family feeling. |
Question of attitude rather than medium. I've worked in online communities since long before the WWW made them accessible to the general public, and
there is nothing "illusive" about the relationships in many of them. Example: this forum is running on Linux and Apache, major open source software
development projects maintained by groups of people spread around the globe working tightly and sincerely together for the greater good. Many have
never met in person, and would laugh at the allegation that their ties to their fellows are any less real than if they were sitting in the same room.
It's possible to be shallow and insincere in person or on line. It is also possible to be real in either medium.
--Larry |
Interesting, and I respect and appreciate your thoughts---as I said, I was just musing. And I agree with your last statement. However, and this is
just from some personal experience so it probably cannot be globalized--- From this forum and other forums we have met people who do a great job of
sounding sincere on line, and are totally different people in person.
It is more than just what might be a false first impression when meeting someone---their online persona seems quite real, and that is not always the
case. Then again, there are others who are sincere in both venues, from our experiences.
Thus, illusive might have been the wrong word to use---and if it is a some kind of family, well I guess I could accept that----probably not any less
or more dysfunctional than a live family. And I have a few family members with whom I do not want to spend time with. Sincerity can be false and
motivated by other forces both on and off line.
Thanks, your explanation made it easier to understand, as they say in one of those well over used statements, where you are coming from.
The internet has been a revolution in many areas.
Diane
[Edited on 11-8-2009 by DianaT]
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I have tried to re-post the original thread but it is gone, cannot edit either.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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shari
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wow, this thread got a whole lot more interesting the last couple days...
Vag....I LOVE the idea of elders pointing out when one "SLIPS OUT OF INTEGRITY" what a lovely way to put it...face it folks, we have all slipped on
occasion...sometimes unintentionally or with the best of intentions... and if we could only gently help our fellow man/woman not slip up as
often...the world would be a nicer place.
Boy am I glad I stuck to voting only once a day!!
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DianaT
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Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
You're not alone in that experience. This site, as many on the Web, is an entertainment forum with little personal accountability required by the
administration or community, and a lot of folks can't handle that unrestricted an environment and choose to act out in ways they wouldn't dare in a
face-to-face connection.
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For me, it is not as much saying or acting in a way someone would not dare to do face to face, it is more the insincere presentation as to who someone
really is----one who loves and cares for all, especially other members of the forum---met too many who when the chips are down, run the other way.
Some talk like Father Joe and act more like Bernie Madoff.
Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Quote: | The internet has been a revolution in many areas. | Sure has! Though I'd qualify that as "WWW" rather than
"Internet", since most people use only that particular subset of the myriad of services the Internet makes possible. I personally put it (WWW) on the
same level of importance as Gutenberg, but one level beyond: the press made practical the mass distribution of information to the
public. The WWW has put mass distribution of information *by* the public.
Saludos-- Larry |
I definitely plead computer and internet and www ignorance---extreme ignorance. However, I really like your comparison to Gutenberg----both methods
of mass distribution have changed everything from politics to religion.
Well, since this thread has been totally hijacked, it is a good thing the other thread started----also probably time to end it----
There is obviously a strong difference of opinion among some about ethics, morality and the acceptance of other's---lectures and conversations that
are probably better left alone.
Actually, my questioning of forums was probably not a fitting question, I am always curious about the new dynamics created by this revolution.
Saludos
Diane
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DENNIS
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What happened to the puppys?
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DENNIS
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Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Dunno-- has anybody stopped voting because of our chatting over here in the corner? 
--Larry |
There was a time you would have scolded me for just that.
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I got the calico frog today!
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I have NOT stopped voting once a day. On the subject of forum dynamics I find it interesting that after "playing daddy" and starting this ethical
discussion, how afraid I am that I've harmed the effort to win the contest. There are folks on this board, whom I've never met, that I really
consider to be friends. Since I try to process my communication through the filter of "is it clear, concise, direct and truthful?"I choose to refer to
them as "cyber-friends".
If nothing else, this discussion has kept the donation link bumped to top of the list, and I hope that helps.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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DENNIS
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Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
"playing daddy" |
Nah...you didn't do that. All you did was voice a valid opinion. Since that, your posts have shown an unearned remorse. We know you weren't being
mean but, your judgement was correct. Don't punish yourself for that.
And, don't punish me for my observation.
I think all is well here now...thanks to you and your willingness to stand up. I thank you for that.
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The sandbox is still a happy place
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Bajagypsy
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bump
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I don't trust those Puerto Ricanos so I voted twice.....
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DENNIS
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I'm in.
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