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Skipjack Joe
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Spent a bit more time this evening examining the terrain and his destination.
I can see why he didn't follow the shoreline as it's all rock cliffs right up to the water's edge. And unlike the earlier hike the near shore is
crossed repeatedly by a set of deep arroyos. So he tried for the mesa but went inland too far to where the mesa was unscalable by the burro.
But there are a few spots where it is scalable. This route would be workable.
#1 is where he leaves his large arroyo by the beach
#4 he ascends the mesa
#7 he leaves the mesa
#9 he enters the next large arroyo leading to road
#11 he is at the road
It will be interesting to see which route he actually takes. I'm wondering if he has these 3 dimemsional google earth maps to navigate with.
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windgrrl
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Rock on, Ron. Thank you.
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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capt. mike
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just waded thru all this drama
wow, i couldn't tell if it was an episode of Lassie or Superman.
Lencho has it right.
That animal needs more water.
if extraordinary public means were to have been needed he should be billed. Good reason to take out a rescue policy if you plan a similarly risky
stunt.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Just got home finally and thanks to everybody for their very kind words including those who called and left messages of concern/support on my phone.
It was a very long 24+ hours on just a couple of hours sleep but in the end I am just glad to know that Mike and Don-Kay are OK and continuing on.
If you have never been out to that region it is hard to understand what a difficult area and situation Mike was/is in. The mesa is huge, steep above
the beach below, with almost no access for miles and miles and very difficult to get around. Every road/trail/riverbed we tried ended up on a dead end
or steep, impassable ledge, leading to a 20+ mile trip around to get to another point of attempt.
Giving up on reaching Mike via the upper route from the Catarina side we headed down to the Blue Point fish camp. We parked where the road ends and
loaded up with some supplies, walking north along the beach for a few miles until we finally reached a point where it was impossible to continue with
the rising tide. Before turning back we yelled out ahead, calling Mikes name in hopes that he might hear us but to no avail.
At that point I was really getting concerned and so we made the decision to head to Cataviņa to meet with Chava at the Delagacion who was quite
helpful, immediately grabbing his radio. In 20 minutes we had a complete team to head out in two pangas at first light in the morning with water,
food, a stretcher and a paramedic with an ambulance standing by at Puerto Cataviņa should Mike require medical aid. I was totally amazed at the
support offered and if any of you pass through Cataviņa and see Chava, offer him a warm handshake for his support he obviously provides to us while in
his territory. He was even kind enough to invite us to dinner at his restaurant in town - great guy!
We did ask at every stop around the Catarina area about Mike and Don-Kay, including the fish camp and puerto in case anybody had seen them. I am sure
that in the days that follow Mike will hear a lot of stories of a couple of guys trying to find him from the south end as he continues on.
We did get a lot of weird stares when we explained that Mike was coming from San Carlos, walking with a burro along the coast below the mesa. Nobody
could believe it.
I hope that the road ahead is not quite so difficult.
God speed Mike...
[Edited on 11-21-2010 by BajaGringo] |
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My hat is off to you Sir.
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shari
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wooohoooo...great news bajagringo has been found!!hahahaha...great work everyone. This has been a good learning experience on many levels...I learned
alot about the spot device and reinforced our belief that the local fishermen in the area know best how to access remote areas...they know every nook
and cranny in their respective places.
About staying put when in distress...hmmm...one must make the best decision in each scenario and I believe Mike did the right thing getting to the
shore...his best chance at rescue.
It's like the old adage....stay with the boat...it isnt ALWAYS the safest thing to do...one must take each case individually and make an informed
decision.
Thanks again to all who responded...baja gringo saved my butt once too...he is a true hero.
man I sure hope someone took a picture of Don Kay in a panga!!! que lo via muy bien Mike.
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BajaGringo
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Thanks mcfez for your very generous offer but I continue to hold onto the idealistic view that I do for others what I hope someone might do for me in
return one day, should the need ever arise. It really was a fun day with Duro, my copilot who really made the day an adventure. He is an old time
racer / Baja offroader with experience in the area going back to the 50's. It also gave me a chance to test out my old Baja beater F250 4x4 that I
purchased recently. It really held up well when going through sand and silt via some of the river bed routes we attempted and the HD front end
suspension took the beating over the lava rock without a problem.
Here is a photo of Duro I took during a quick pit stop while looking for an access along the Catarina mesa yesterday and another taken from the south
side of the mesa so you can see how huge it really is. It looks fairly flat from this distance but trying to get across it proved to be virtually
impossible.
Looking back now I wish we had just headed to the beach first as we might have reached Mike before the rising tide cut us off. I chose the mesa
approach first as it appeared that Mike was heading in that direction and everybody we asked told us the beach route would be very difficult with a
burro because of the rocks.
I hope Mike can reach the fish camp with no problems...
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Santiago
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I'm confused - some are saying that Don-Kay and everyone else was loaded in a panga and taken somewhere but I don't see in any post. Weren't they
given water and then they were on their way down the coast?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
I'm confused - some are saying that Don-Kay and everyone else was loaded in a panga and taken somewhere but I don't see in any post. Weren't they
given water and then they were on their way down the coast? |
I think that's what happened. Hard to imagine a Donkey in a Panga with their well know propensity for sea-sickness.
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KASHEYDOG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Thanks mcfez for your very generous offer but I continue to hold onto the idealistic view that I do for others what I hope someone might do for me in
return one day, should the need ever arise. [/img] |
You're a hero in my book too, Ron.. ...... Should the need ever
arise please let me have the honor of returning your "idealistic view". I'd like to be on your list of first responders for your needs. Call me @ 619
224 0808 home or 619 990 0270 cell or Nextel direct connect 125*136811**8.....  ..
Since I'll probably be coming down for my annual visit in the next few months please u2u me with some contact info so I can let you know when I'm
there. I'd really like to buy you a drink.  .. .Dick..
[Edited on 11-21-10 by KASHEYDOG]
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astrobaja
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What an awesome thing you did Ron! But then we always knew you were a super guy
Don kay did what donkeys will do when they are being overworked or when they are lacking water. they go on strike!
Hope Mike has learned that he needs to plan stops on ranches by his route.
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LancairDriver
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In addition to SPOT, mandatory equipment should include a satellite phone when attempting a stunt like this. Would have saved Baja Gringo a lot of gas
and wear and tear, as well as a lot of angst for everyone else. These phones can be rented and you have communication from anywhere in the world.
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astrobaja
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I agree LancairDriver, I would have had a sat phone with me too considering the very difficult path he chose. We are still considering a Iridium phone
for our location considering internet is our only real communications.
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Curt63
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If Mike had been carrying a handheld VHF and known the local Pangero frequency, would he have been able to contact them?
No worries
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solosancarlos
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LancairDriver
In addition to SPOT, mandatory equipment should include a satellite phone when attempting a stunt like this. Would have saved Baja Gringo a lot of gas
and wear and tear, as well as a lot of angst for everyone else. These phones can be rented and you have communication from anywhere in the world.
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Yesterday was not a "stunt". What Ron went through probably but on this end far from it.
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solosancarlos
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Curt63
If Mike had been carrying a handheld VHF and known the local Pangero frequency, would he have been able to contact them? |
maybe curt. VHF will work with "line of sight" transmission but after so many miles it weakens. It definitely would have helped for sure. A lot
cheaper than a sat phone.
The Feds installed a repeater on top of the San Carlos mesa this year greatly strengthening transmissions
[Edited on 11-21-2010 by solosancarlos]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by solosancarlos
Yesterday was not a "stunt". What Ron went through probably but on this end far from it. |
Why would Ron's efforts be considered a "stunt?"
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LancairDriver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by solosancarlos
| Quote: | Originally posted by LancairDriver
In addition to SPOT, mandatory equipment should include a satellite phone when attempting a stunt like this. Would have saved Baja Gringo a lot of gas
and wear and tear, as well as a lot of angst for everyone else. These phones can be rented and you have communication from anywhere in the world.
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Yesterday was not a "stunt". What Ron went through probably but on this end far from it. |
I was referring to Younghusbands adventure as a stunt, not the efforts of the Nomads in pitching in to assist him.
stunt 2 (stnt)
n.
1. A feat displaying unusual strength, skill, or daring.
2. Something done to attract attention or publicity.
intr.v. stunt·ed, stunt·ing, stunts
To perform stunts or a stunt.
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elgatoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LancairDriver
| Quote: | Originally posted by solosancarlos
| Quote: | Originally posted by LancairDriver
In addition to SPOT, mandatory equipment should include a satellite phone when attempting a stunt like this. Would have saved Baja Gringo a lot of gas
and wear and tear, as well as a lot of angst for everyone else. These phones can be rented and you have communication from anywhere in the world.
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Yesterday was not a "stunt". What Ron went through probably but on this end far from it. |
I was referring to Younghusbands adventure as a stunt, not the efforts of the Nomads in pitching in to assist him.
stunt 2 (stnt)
n.
1. A feat displaying unusual strength, skill, or daring.
2. Something done to attract attention or publicity.
intr.v. stunt·ed, stunt·ing, stunts
To perform stunts or a stunt. |
I dont think what he is doing fits the definition.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elgatoloco
I dont think what he is doing fits the definition. |
Nor do I. Perhaps "Rebirth" would better classify his efforts. As unstudied as it may be at times, it's still a noble effort in my eyes.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by elgatoloco
I dont think what he is doing fits the definition. |
Nor do I. Perhaps "Rebirth" would better classify his efforts. As unstudied as it may be at times, it's still a noble effort in my eyes.
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it's an adventure. if he took a phone it would no longer be an adventure.
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