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[*] posted on 9-3-2015 at 09:58 AM


In 2006, warmist alarmist Al Gore claimed in his film, An Inconvenient Truth, that sea levels were rising so fast that the citizens of the Pacific nations would have to evacuate to New Zealand.
In 2007 Professor Mike Archer, Dean of Science at University of NSW said that there would be sharks in the middle of the street in Sydney, Australia?
And, Labor Minister Bob Carr claimed that the Pacific Island of Kiribati would be completely covered with water by 2030?

So we turn to data from the University of Colorado Monitoring for the past twenty years which verifies a 3.2 millimeter rise per year or 30 centimeters. They found sea levels had risen slowly over a long period of time and way before any influence from civilization.
Finally, the research on the Tarawa Atoll, part of Kiribati, shows no measurable rise in Mean Sea Level. The most populous atoll of Kiribati, Betio, has increased in size by a third over the past 60 years and an Auckland University study on 27 islands show they grew or stayed the same of the past 20-60 years.




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[*] posted on 9-3-2015 at 10:34 AM


Refreshing to hear good news about the earth for a change! Thank you!



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[*] posted on 9-3-2015 at 11:01 AM


No argument about good news ... on the Environment ... as I've always loved the outdoors ... and Baja used to be a fave ... when a young'n up till around 30 ... which is well over 40 years ago

Dealing with findings from scientific investigation is responsibility of the Federal Government, here in the United States ... with Advise and Consent in operation at the highest levels of government

And in most cases, albeit convoluted and overpriced using this method, some degree of positives can be achieved

Was trying to find out the total tonnage of ALL hazards waste generation within the United States ... from when I was associated with that aspect of regulations back in 92 ...

Would appear the Chemical folks haven't changed too much ... from my association with same ...

Took till 93 to get some degree of accurate reporting on this

"[o] The Chemical Manufacturers Association (CMA) continues its fight against the public's right-to-know. On April 30, CMA lost its lawsuit in U.S. District Court against EPA's addition of chemicals to the Toxics Release Inventory; on June 27, CMA appealed."

And there has bee significant reduction in overall generation and/or disposal ... However, a signifiant amount of Hazardous Waste is now "Exported" under Federal Law to other Nations ...

Found this site which has used the FOIA to get some numbers ... which were NOT up on the Internet ... even at the Federal EPA, State EPA's ect

As the footprint left via manufacturing of goods and servicea is typically ... HAZARDOUS WASTE ... there are of course some exceptions ... but, they are far and few between

http://www.rtknet.org/db/brs/state

Hard to talk numbers, when some don't want to disclose those numbers ... for various reasons ... typically based on economics ... be it Government or Private Industry

We have made progress in handling Hazardous Waste and/or substances ... but, it is an ongoing thing ... cuz that is what we use to make a living with on this planet ... chemicals

It just comes down to HOW much one is dealing with on a Global Scale ... and that gets hard quickly

One might wonder why ... The Chemical Industry would not want to disclose this information, for planning purposes to protect Health and the Environment ... I always did :biggrin::biggrin:

And yes this would have something to do with environmental change ... which would include: Land, Air and Sea

Solid Waste numbers are easy to find ... Hazardous Waste ... not so much :):)

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[*] posted on 9-3-2015 at 11:15 AM


So are tide tables based on what sea levels were 30 years ago or on fluctuation from the current mean (which, granted, is the same on the US west coast anyway). That is, will it be a 10 foot tide or an 8 foot tide based on a new tidal mean?
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[*] posted on 9-3-2015 at 11:26 AM


Hey this might help ... but, then it is from one of those Scientific kinda sites .. :biggrin::biggrin:

Is sea level the same all across the ocean?

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/globalsl.html

Always something new to think about ... HUH :):)

What Happens To A Bridge When One Side Uses Mediterranean Sea Level And Another The North Sea?

http://www.science20.com/news_articles/what_happens_bridge_w...

Would appear Sea Level is dependent on "where" one is located on the planet :biggrin::biggrin:

and the difference aren't really that "big" only centimeters or millimeters ... so pretty hard to "eyeball" the difference by most

But, there would appear, based on using the latest technology ... there is in fact a measurable difference

And of course the next step in scientific investigation would be to monitor these levels over time and report back ... which I believe is what is being done at this time ... by many nations, which can only help in the long run

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[*] posted on 9-3-2015 at 01:11 PM


Thanks wessongroup:

"Local sea level" refers to the height of the water measured along the coast relative to a specific point on land. Tide stations measure local sea level. "Relative sea level trends" reflect changes in local sea level over time. This relative change is the one most critical for many coastal applications, including coastal mapping, marine boundary delineation, coastal zone management, coastal engineering, sustainable habitat restoration design, and the general public enjoying their favorite beach.



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[*] posted on 9-3-2015 at 04:31 PM


Maybe the sea level rise is just volume displacement!? :O

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/photos-pacific-ocean-pla...
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[*] posted on 9-3-2015 at 04:41 PM


Lots of factor's involved with that much of anything thing which isn't "static" ... just the measurement of something that large would seem a bit difficult in "real time" ... even with the techogolgy we currently use ... water does tend to "move around" in various "phases" .... and add in all the others factors which influence the characteristics of the physical state of what we call the "ocean" ... It really does boggle the mind

But, overall it would appear we continue to gain more knowledge about water everyday ... which may prove useful in many areas in the near future given what humans do daily :biggrin::biggrin: and other critters and/or plants :):)

Thanks to all ... it is a very interesting subject ... water

btw have a good weekend :):) just remembered 2 for 6 when working ... a nice long weekend ...stay safe and don't eat too much of that BBQ ... 3,4-Benzepyrene don't ya know ... Me, what do I care ... Tri-Tip ... Santa Maria style BBQ this weekend ... I'll have someone let ya know if I died from eating it :lol::lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzo(a)pyrene



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[*] posted on 9-5-2015 at 09:22 PM


Council on Foreign Relations discusses engineering climate and pubic opinion

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[*] posted on 9-6-2015 at 03:54 PM


I might be repeating information but I recently viewed "Ice" on Netflix and it was a real eye opener-very well done.



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[*] posted on 9-7-2015 at 05:08 AM


It's raining....



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[*] posted on 9-7-2015 at 01:31 PM


Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup  
How about Sourdough ... another fav ... :biggrin::biggrin:


Used to call it sheepherders bread ... first time Schat's bakery in 1947 in Bishop ... my dad was taking us kids up to Bishop Creek to camp .. below South Lake ... became a tradition ... and going over Bishop Pass down to the John Muir trail ... some days :):)


Shat's has become such a tourist trap --- the locals now all go to the Great Basin Bakery on a side street --- on Fridays they make a garlic sourdough bread that is way too good. Bishop Creek is still beautiful ---- need water in the lakes!




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[*] posted on 9-7-2015 at 02:14 PM


Interesting site with 18 photos on over population/climate change.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/201...
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[*] posted on 9-7-2015 at 02:30 PM


Very interesting, puts a different face on the issue...Some of the photos are pretty scary



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[*] posted on 9-7-2015 at 09:28 PM


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[*] posted on 9-8-2015 at 09:39 AM


Here's another theory on Global warming for our Nomad panel of climate change experts to tear apart.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2015/08/31/climate-ch...
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[*] posted on 9-8-2015 at 10:26 AM


Truly amazing what small changes on things like the "Water Cycle" can result in ... when on a Planetary level

Extend that concept to other "substances" which are being produced by humans ... also on a Planetary scale ... not surprised there are some problems with the: Land, Sea and Air ...

Very sad ... lucky in my life to have seen things before the change and/or changes to a large extent ... from more and more people

Bishop and Shepherd Bread ... used to get it in a brown paper bag :biggrin::biggrin: ... Thanks T ... don't think I'll get a chance to try it ... but, the thought is just as good :):)

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[*] posted on 9-10-2015 at 05:36 PM


"Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the 'stupidity of the American voter' or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass," Gruber said.

MIT can"t be wrong... or political...they got them white coats as well.
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[*] posted on 9-11-2015 at 11:37 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JG  
"Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the 'stupidity of the American voter' or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass," Gruber said.

MIT can"t be wrong... or political...they got them white coats as well.


Politics in action .. :biggrin::biggrin:
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[*] posted on 9-11-2015 at 01:35 PM


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"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" Upton Sinclair


I enjoy Upton Sinclair.....thanks.....now more reality for the boys who don't believe in human caused climate change.....here's snippet that got me further into the Canadian studies.....you know those dirty rotten climate scientists not supported by our US taxes.....


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More flooding and erosion is expected in the future as fall sea ice dwindles. Waves in the Beaufort, Chukchi and Bering Seas have been getting bigger over the past four decades, a recent Environment Canada-led study found. In 2012, the year of record-low sea ice extent, scientists from the University of Washington measured 16-foot waves in the Beaufort Sea. The highest sea waves ever recorded in the Arctic, at 19.685 feet, were measured in the Barents Sea off Svalbard in 2010.



So I pulled the abstract from that Environment Canada study for those who know how to read....It was posted by the extremely liberal American Meteorlogical Society.....you know, another group of scientists with their non-profit .org


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Historical changes in the Beaufort-Chukchi-Bering Seas surface winds and waves, 1971-2013
Xiaolan L. Wang,* Yang Feng, and Val R. Swail Climate Research Division, Science and Technology Branch, Environment Canada, Toronto, Ontario, Canada Andrew Cox Oceanweather , Inc., Cos Cob, CT, USA

Abstract This study characterizes historical changes in surface wind speed and ocean surface waves in the Beaufort-Chukchi-Bering Seas using the Environment Canada’s Beaufort Wind and Wave Reanalysis for the period 1970-2013. The results show that both the significant wave height (Hs) and mean wave period (Tm) have increased significantly over the Bering Sea in July and August, and over the Canadian Beaufort westward to the northern Bering Sea in September, and that the 1992-2013 trends in September mean Hs agree well with satellite-based trend estimates for 1993-2010. Most outstandingly, the regional mean Tm has increased at a rate of 3% to 4% per year of the corresponding 1970-1999 climatology; it has more than tripled since 1970. Also, the regional mean Hs has increased at a rate of 0.3% to 0.8% per year. The trend of lengthening wave period and increasing wave height imply a trend of increasing wave energy flux, providing a mechanism to break up sea ice and accelerate ice retreat. The results also show that changes in the local wind speeds alone cannot explain the significant changes in waves. The wind speeds show significant increases over the Bering Sea to north of Alaska in July, over the central part of the domain in August and September, with decreases in the region off the Canadian coasts in August. In the region west of the Canadian coast, the climatological mean wind direction has rotated clockwise in July and August, with the climatological anticyclonic center being displaced northeastward in August.







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