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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
it's an adventure. if he took a phone it would no longer be an adventure. |
That, as insane as it is, would have been fitting advice for Lewis and Clark. Safety doesn't dilute the venture. It would only enhance it by freeing
the mind to attend to all else.
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astrobaja
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Dennis noble it may be but not at the expense of the donkey. I seem to be the only person belaboring this point so this will be my last attempt and
then I'll shut up.
Now that they are out of danger Mike needs to check the condition of Don Kay. If it were me I'd have a good large animal vet give him a once over.
Dehydration they can get over pretty quickly but if hes been losing condition (muscle mass) over the last few weeks then he may have to give him a
rest with good quality hay (not protein bars!). If he starts laying down a lot out of the blue again then for gods sake give him a rest!
My Wife and I could tell in a minute if hes in need of a rest but Mikes a city guy it seems and this sort of thing takes time to develop.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by astrobaja
Dennis noble it may be but not at the expense of the donkey. I seem to be the only person belaboring this point so this will be my last attempt and
then I'll shut up.
Now that they are out of danger Mike needs to check the condition of Don Kay. If it were me I'd have a good large animal vet give him a once over.
Dehydration they can get over pretty quickly but if hes been losing condition (muscle mass) over the last few weeks then he may have to give him a
rest with good quality hay (not protein bars!). If he starts laying down a lot out of the blue again then for gods sake give him a rest!
My Wife and I could tell in a minute if hes in need of a rest but Mikes a city guy it seems and this sort of thing takes time to develop.
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For the sake of Don Kay, I wish there was a way for Mike to hear and heed your message.
[Edited on 11-21-2010 by DianaT]
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I am guessing Mike didnt take a satellite phone for the same reason Graham abandoned his way back when...they are bulky and heavy. but, I still think
they should be used when traversing such wild terrain with difficult access.
Ron, what you did was fantastic and my hat is off to you. If we am ever in a pinch, would everyone please call Ron first, altho' we have never had the
pleasure of meeting him !!
Our communication nowadays is via sat phones and cell phones and it is no different than the smoke signals, telex, morse code, pony express used way
back when. times change and you advance with the times. We know from history that all explorers all called crazy adventurers by their peers: do you
think Cristopher Columbus, Juan Cabrillo, Pedro Alvarez Cabral, Marco Polo were praised by their families, at least at first ???? I very much doubt
it.
When I read about the American Shepherd, who went to Batopilas with his whole entire family and pets and friends with burros carrying ALL THEIR
HOUSEHOLD items, clothes, food, drink etc., I thought he was nuts. certifiable. This is how I feel over 200 years after the fact. I don't know how
they did it ....
so, congrats everyone for a challenge met. and congrats to those who have the courage to attempt what only one other of us have done.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by astrobaja
Dennis noble it may be but not at the expense of the donkey. I seem to be the only person belaboring this point so this will be my last attempt and
then I'll shut up.
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I agree, Mike. I can only assume a lesson was well learned about the well-being of the animals.
I wasn't trying to be offensive by ignoring that fact, but points about Mike's motivation for this journey were brought up.
Thanks for pointing out the ommision. It's well taken.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
it's an adventure. if he took a phone it would no longer be an adventure. |
That, as insane as it is, would have been fitting advice for Lewis and Clark. Safety doesn't dilute the venture. It would only enhance it by freeing
the mind to attend to all else. |
Very wise statement, Dennis-----------one needs as few worrys as possible to truly enjoy the many facets of an "adventure", unless you have a
death-wish. It is those nagging fears that really detracts from any adventure that I have embarked on. You just except the worrys you can't
eliminate, but plan for the one's you can, at least I do. To each his/her own, tho.
Barry
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David K
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Gee... I feel a sense of adventure the minute I cross the border into Mexico!
Now, how about we give let this episode rest. Mike and company got the water they needed and a BIG THANKS to Neil and the people at San Carlos for
arranging the water delivery that saved them. Ron was a hero for going into action so quickly and he got to explore some remote parts of Baja trying
to get to Mike... I wish I could have been there too!
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Good show, BG... and glad that Ford did what you wanted... ya got a good deal, it would appear...
Best wishes....
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| Quote: | | Yesterday was not a "stunt". WHAT RON WENT THROUGH PROBABLY BUT NOT ON THIS END FAR FROM
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"solosancarlos, Newbie"
Please qualify this statement. I hope you don't mean what it appears to say.
If so, go back and re-read what he did to organize a search party comprised of the local authorities, having left his house at 6:00 friday night. Then
went out on his own and drove 90 minutes with a local contact and began another search at 0 dark thirty Saturday morning and got to within a half KM
of the unknown location of Mike.
 ....I think an explaination or retraction of your statement is in order.
DON'T MAKE ME HAVE TO COME DOWN THERE  ..
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Now, how about we give let this episode rest. |
Threads such as this end when all the pressure is released. It will die of it's own accord after it winds down. 
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David K
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You mean like the turtle soup episode...?? 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Gee... I feel a sense of adventure the minute I cross the border into Mexico!
Now, how about we give let this episode rest. Mike and company got the water they needed and a BIG THANKS to Neil and the people at San Carlos for
arranging the water delivery that saved them. Ron was a hero for going into action so quickly and he got to explore some remote parts of Baja trying
to get to Mike... I wish I could have been there too! |
Of course the people from San Carlos and Ron are to be commended for what they did---and I hope Mike can make it around the area about which Ron is
concerned.
But I disagree that this should be put to rest after reading all of astrobaja's posts, mostly on this thread. For the sake of Don Kay, I still hope
Mike can receive the message and advice. Yes, they were all rescued, but it sounds like Don Kay may not have what he needs.
[Edited on 11-21-2010 by DianaT]
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I find it somewhat (read:very) irritating that we have been following Mike's journey thus far, rooting him on, rah rah rah! until he finds himself in
a bit of trouble...and now his journey is a "stunt" as is the valiant attempts to help him out.
Sounds very similar to the coverage of young Abby and her attempt to circumnavigate solo until she ran into some trouble and then the fingers started
pointing, accusing her and her family of being irresponsible and financially obligated for the rescue efforts.
I hope Mike, Don-Kay and Solo continue their journey....danger, difficulty and naysayers be damned!
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astrobaja
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Can someone please talk to Mike and let him know 200 Lbs is TOO MUCH!
40-50 kg for a 150 Kg animal! Thats 95-110 lbs!
http://www.nda.agric.za/docs/Infopaks/donkeys.htm#safety
Also if someone can get him a bag of alfalfa cubes that would help
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David K
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Mike loves his donkey... if you read Graham's posts or the newspaper account you will know he won't mis-treat his burro and will rest a few days if
needed... He isn't on a time schedule. Remeber they rested 3 nights at El Rosario.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajafam
I hope Mike, Don-Kay and Solo continue their journey....danger, difficulty and naysayers be damned! |
People make a choice to face danger when they head into the wilderness----when we have backpacked into the wilderness, there was always that since of
total responsibility and knowledge that there were risks.
The welfare of Don Kay is Mike's responsibility and I am sure that he loves that donkey. So I hope he will hear and heed the messages of warning
about Don Kay from astrobaja.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You mean like the turtle soup episode...?? |
Could be. 94 pages of posts and growing says something. How many times did someone suggest it come to a merciful end? Many....and no one listened.
You can add your suggestion above to that list. It'll fit right in.
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solosancarlos
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when I last saw Mike he had reduced Don-Kays load to 150 lbs including water
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
DON'T MAKE ME HAVE TO COME DOWN THERE .. |
What are you implying, that he issue a retraction or you're going to go down there and beat him up? The crisis is over, now let's all whip out our
egos... |
Actually, I was hoping for an explaination. I suppose you think Bajagringo's efforts were a stunt too. Ya know, I'd like to be on your list of first
responders too. If you ever need help call me first.
Then "stay put" and wait.........and wait .........and wait........... I'll be there any minute.......really..............no really.......
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[Edited on 11-21-10 by KASHEYDOG]
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience..... .... ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ??
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by astrobaja
Also if someone can get him a bag of alfalfa cubes that would help |
It would also be a good thing if someone could truck him and his entourage inland to the road. Walking the length of Baja doesn't necessarily mean
along the beach. It can't be done.
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