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David K
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Instead of laughing icons, do you have any proof? I would rather apologize for something I really did than something you think I did.
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MMc
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I am amazed how many post wind up focused on DK and what he believes.
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | | Instead of laughing icons, do you have any proof? I would rather apologize for something I really did than something you think I did.
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Proof? Isn't that what this thread is about?
Re proof about dk's insults, I will leave that to other researchers.
                    
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Yeah sure, you could start by apologizing to anyone covered by your blanket statement that anyone who didn't believe that your God's work couldn't be
altered by humans was ignorant.
I read your response this morning and focused on your highly evolved argument that global sea levels were not rising because YOU didn't notice any
difference, through personal observation, when you stood on the beach. I even went so far as to do a little reading about the more than 20 years of
international science data that proves you wrong. I'm speaking of the TOPEX/Poseidon mission in the early 90's, continuing with the first Jason
satellite, then on to Jason 2, and stopped reading when I learned how many more measurements of different kinds in the last few years had confirmed
those findings. I invite you to read a recent United Nations report about the effect of sea level rise on the 42 (SIDS) member states. It wouldn't
surprise me if you claimed that Al Gore had paid all these people to lie about their research. For that reason I came to my senses and decided to
present some relevant Nomad research of my own.
I no longer believe that the fish tacos at Tacos don Ramon across from the ball park in Bahia Asuncion are the best in BCS. As a result of larger fish
portions, (obvious by visual observation), a larger selection of unique salsas,(same method of data collection), and a less salty batter recipe,
(strictly a subjective determination) I have concluded that it is worth considering that the fish tacos at Tacos la Baja, in Vizcaino are a superior
variety. As a result of the prohibitive 148 mile round trip to Tacos la Baja, I will be satisfied today with these local things! I feel sorry for you
for several reasons, but today I will limit that to feeling sorry that you can't stroll through this delightful little Mexican fishing village and
order some for yourself.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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monoloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by vgabndo | Yeah sure, you could start by apologizing to anyone covered by your blanket statement that anyone who didn't believe that your God's work couldn't be
altered by humans was ignorant.
I read your response this morning and focused on your highly evolved argument that global sea levels were not rising because YOU didn't notice any
difference, through personal observation, when you stood on the beach. I even went so far as to do a little reading about the more than 20 years of
international science data that proves you wrong. I'm speaking of the TOPEX/Poseidon mission in the early 90's, continuing with the first Jason
satellite, then on to Jason 2, and stopped reading when I learned how many more measurements of different kinds in the last few years had confirmed
those findings. I invite you to read a recent United Nations report about the effect of sea level rise on the 42 (SIDS) member states. It wouldn't
surprise me if you claimed that Al Gore had paid all these people to lie about their research. For that reason I came to my senses and decided to
present some relevant Nomad research of my own.
I no longer believe that the fish tacos at Tacos don Ramon across from the ball park in Bahia Asuncion are the best in BCS. As a result of larger fish
portions, (obvious by visual observation), a larger selection of unique salsas,(same method of data collection), and a less salty batter recipe,
(strictly a subjective determination) I have concluded that it is worth considering that the fish tacos at Tacos la Baja, in Vizcaino are a superior
variety. As a result of the prohibitive 148 mile round trip to Tacos la Baja, I will be satisfied today with these local things! I feel sorry for you
for several reasons, but today I will limit that to feeling sorry that you can't stroll through this delightful little Mexican fishing village and
order some for yourself. |
Unlike the oil companies and the altruistic "climate realists" whose motives are
only the truth, those self serving money grubbing "climate scientists" have much to lose if they were to actually release accurate data.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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vgabndo
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There has been a call to pay attention to the INDEPENDENT scientists who are not being paid off by the government for lying about human caused climate
change. Let me introduce one of the most prominent of those scientists. Wei-Hock Soon known as Willie Soon. This man is one of the most visible
deniers of the present scientific consensus. Recent freedom of information act documents reveal why Soon would make such statements. It seems he was
paid 1.2 MILLION dollars by the fossil fuel industry to write reports helpful to their polluting cause.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/us/ties-to-corporate-cash-...
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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David K
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The San Cosme Hot Springs (in rocks), is still the same point above sea level... How come? Is Baja tilting perhaps?
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vgabndo
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | The San Cosme Hot Springs (in rocks), is still the same point above sea level... How come? Is Baja tilting perhaps? |
Woo hoo, you blew a few hundred million dollars worth of high tech scientific equipment out of the sky with that personal observation. Are you on the
oil company's payroll like like the independent scientist Willie Soon?
I'm waiting for you to defend Willie Soon and to provide documentation that the Ocean Surface Topography Mission is all falsified data created by a
giant multi-national conspiracy to make you look foolish.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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monoloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | The San Cosme Hot Springs (in rocks), is still the same point above sea level... How come? Is Baja tilting perhaps? |
Land masses are not static, in some places sea levels are falling in relation to land marks. It is impossible to make any
conclusions about sea levels from casual observations on an occasional basis, that is why scientists measure sea levels using sophisticated
instrumentation and satellite data. Last summer in Alaska, I had the opportunity to spend a few days with a team of NOAA scientists who maintain the
equipment that measures sea levels on west coast and the pacific, they weren't overtly political or fear mongering, and definitely were not getting
rich off having a particular view point. They told me that the equipment that they monitor definitely shows that we are seeing a rise in sea levels.
One thing to remember is, that in scale, the atmosphere of the earth is approximately equal to Saran Wrap around a basketball.
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Barry A.
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A warning from a Scientist:
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/01/14/mit-professor-urging-c...
Enter into your search engine "MIT professor on global warming" to see more links.
Barry
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vgabndo
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Do another Google search and learn that Richard Lindzen, whom you cite, is one of the tiny 3% who cling to a belief in opposition to the scientific
consensus. You will also find plenty of information about how he has also been on the oil company's payrolls for years. He has recently claimed that
he is no longer on Exxon/Mobil's payroll. His oil company opinions were discredited many pages ago in this thread.
[Edited on 3-7-2015 by vgabndo]
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Barry A.
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| Quote: Originally posted by vgabndo |
Do another Google search and learn that Richard Lindzen, whom you cite, is one of the tiny 3% who cling to a belief in opposition to the scientific
consensus. You will also find plenty of information about how he has also been on the oil company's payrolls for years. He has recently claimed that
he is no longer on Exxon/Mobil's payroll. His oil company opinions were discredited many pages ago in this thread.
[Edited on 3-7-2015 by vgabndo] |
MIT seems to like him. Last time I checked MIT and it's staff was a fairly accredited school in "technical matters".
My only point is that reputable people disagree or caution us about going with the apparent/obvious consensus, and are worth listening too, IMO. This
matter is too important, and with horrendous consequences if not gotten right, either way.
The insults and character assassination directed at those that question conventional wisdom is astounding and very disappointing, especially when it
comes from those that preach tolerance and understanding of others.
Barry
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Lindzen retired in 2013. Besides, God will send a message to David if and when the sea levels are rising.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | MIT seems to like him. Last time I checked MIT and it's staff was a fairly accredited school in "technical matters".
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MIT might 'like' their former professor, but their position runs contrary to Lindzen's!
Geez. You guys are entertaining, that's for sure!
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Barry A.
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| Quote: Originally posted by norte | | Lindzen retired in 2013. Besides, God will send a message to David if and when the sea levels are rising. |
Retired, eh. No wonder he is now able to give his REAL view on matters without fear of damage caused by the retribution and ridicule from his
(tolerant) Liberal peers which has already begun.
As for your comments about David and God--------I think I hear thunder------------and possibly being listed by ISIS for neck-chopping or fire.
Be careful out there as you will get no help or sympathy from the Pres. on matters such as this.
Barry
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by vgabndo | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | The San Cosme Hot Springs (in rocks), is still the same point above sea level... How come? Is Baja tilting perhaps? |
Woo hoo, you blew a few hundred million dollars worth of high tech scientific equipment out of the sky with that personal observation. Are you on the
oil company's payroll like like the independent scientist Willie Soon?
I'm waiting for you to defend Willie Soon and to provide documentation that the Ocean Surface Topography Mission is all falsified data created by a
giant multi-national conspiracy to make you look foolish. |
Someday, you might have a real objective view of this and not dismiss actual observation in favor of political correctness? You are obviously not
happy unless I submit to popular culture that the world is being destroyed by man and that man can reverse natural events, right?
Climate has changed for billions of years, man has nothing to do with it, and climate is still changing (but not as drastic as some try and make you
think).
No matter how powerful you make government, it won't CHANGE the climate... other than keep you poor and submissive.
The roads that splashed in the hide tide water, the street where I grew up on the beach, and everywhere else I can see in the past 50 years is STILL
the same elevation above or at sea level. If the ocean rose the length of a cigarette in 100 years (the scientific claim), while the moon moves the
ocean several feet up and down daily, is that REALLY a crisis???
Come on, I hope there is still enough intelligence out there that you just don't hand over your life to the party.
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norte
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | | Quote: Originally posted by norte | | Lindzen retired in 2013. Besides, God will send a message to David if and when the sea levels are rising. |
Retired, eh. No wonder he is now able to give his REAL view on matters without fear of damage caused by the retribution and ridicule from his
(tolerant) Liberal peers which has already begun.
As for your comments about David and God--------I think I hear thunder------------and possibly being listed by ISIS for neck-chopping or fire.
Be careful out there as you will get no help or sympathy from the Pres. on matters such as this.
Barry
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I am sure the families of the departed would appreciate your IS (ISIS) comment.. Back to the topic and comments relative to GOD and climate, how
would anyone not believe that the things that human beings do would effect the environment and climate. It seems rather obvious, whether it be
consuming resources or contributing to the state of nature through byproducts of consumption.
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David K
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Norte, when just one volcano erupts, it dwarfs all of man's pollution in output... and volcanoes erupt all over the world since the beginning of time.
Nature has a mechanism to balance this. Every so often, Nature 're-boots', so watch out... there's NOTHING you can do about that!
I hate pollution and I don't even smoke, never have, I love the outdoors... so because I am against big government, taxing the working people to
death, and insane regulations on life, does NOT mean I am for polluting corporations or polluting government operations (too many dirty socialist run
industries in the rest of the world to name).
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Norte, when just one volcano erupts, it dwarfs all of man's pollution in output... and volcanoes erupt all over the world since the beginning of time.
Nature has a mechanism to balance this. Every so often, Nature 're-boots', so watch out... there's NOTHING you can do about that!
I hate pollution and I don't even smoke, never have, I love the outdoors... so because I am against big government, taxing the working people to
death, and insane regulations on life, does NOT mean I am for polluting corporations or polluting government operations (too many dirty socialist run
industries in the rest of the world to name). |
So understand dont waste your time always searching for those wasted years
face up and make your stand and realize that your living in the golden years
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David, you are right...there may be a natural balance to out world...that we should not be messing with. That is the whole point...., it appears we
may be upsetting this natural balance through our indiscriminate actions that you describe.
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