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wessongroup
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Will make coal easier to deliver via the North Pole route, looking at from a "business" standpoint
Hey, maybe coal generated power stations would help in the Arctic and Antarctic ... as it would change the locations of "Point Source" emissions ..
Changing the Oceans is kinda a big deal ... 
[Edited on 9-11-2015 by wessongroup]
[Edited on 9-12-2015 by wessongroup]
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SFandH
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See for yourself:
NOVA - National Geographic
Extreme Ice - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QnuzaDiKGs
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Some scary chit ...
New Study: Waterworld Is Definitely Going to Happen
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/09/earth-screwed
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This is how climate change deniers sound to normal people. Warning! Do not watch this unless you have a sense of humor!
http://youtu.be/3iBLlksqztg
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What would happen if We burned up all of earth's fossil fuels?
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/11/439538952/...
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this should keep you guys busy for another 5 pages or so:
http://news.yahoo.com/climate-change-antarctic-ocean-increas...
Washington (AFP) - Defying earlier fears, researchers say the Antarctic Ocean has been absorbing increasing amounts of carbon dioxide over the past
decade, making it critical to mitigating the worst effects of climate change.
The findings upend estimates, put forward a decade ago, that the seas surrounding the continent were approaching a saturation point and would not be
able to continue to absorb increasing amounts carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.
Since that time, the amount of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases put into the atmosphere by human activity has only grown and, the new
research shows, so has the amount of carbon dioxide absorbed by the Antarctic Ocean.
This ocean, also known as the Southern Ocean, accounts for nearly half of the carbon dioxide absorbed by the world's oceans.
"The seas around Antarctica absorb significantly more CO2 than they release. And importantly, they remove a large part of the CO2 that is put into the
atmosphere by human activities such as burning fossil fuels," co-author Dorothee Bakker, of the University of East Anglia, said in a statement
announcing the findings.
She noted that the previous suggestions of a saturation point had been surprising at the time and that these new findings show the Antarctic Ocean
"has in fact regained its expected strength."
The study, published in the journal Science, is based on surface water carbon dioxide measurements taken throughout the past decade.
The researchers, led by Nicolas Gruber of the university ETH Zurich, attributed this reinvigoration of carbon dioxide absorption to changes in
prevailing weather patterns.
Another study published Thursday, in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, found a similar uptick in a specific region of the Antarctic seas, the
Drake Passage that separates the ice-covered continent from South America.
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University of East Anglia. I believe these guys got caught moving data all over the place to prove global whatever. Hmmmm
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Quote: Originally posted by bajacamper  | | University of East Anglia. I believe these guys got caught moving data all over the place to prove global whatever. Hmmmm |
Well maybe you should look at the photographic evidence and the scientific measurements.
Extreme Ice - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QnuzaDiKGs
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You did not answer my question. Was it East Anglia U that cooked the climate reports ? Perhaps you are not interested in phony climate reports.
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basta de esto para mí. Nos vemos luego en un hilo que tiene sentido.
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Just ran across this, which is very interesting, so perhaps it is not a closed and shut case after all.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/19121-wi...
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How is that California water supply these days? I'm sure there's plenty for a nice long shower.....or to put out the raging fires.
Study Finds Snowfall in California’s Sierra Nevada to Be Lowest in 500 Years
The snow that blanketed the Sierra Nevada Mountains in California last winter, and that was supposed to serve as an essential source of fresh
water for the drought-stricken state, was at its lowest levels in the last 500 years, according to a new study.
The paper, published on Monday in the journal Nature Climate Change, used tree-ring data from centuries-old blue oaks to provide historical
context for the mountain range’s diminished snowfall. As of April 1, the snowpack levels were just 5 percent of their 50-year historical average.
The paper is the first to create a model that describes temperature and precipitation levels on the Sierra Nevada that extends centuries before
researchers started measuring snow levels each year.
“The 2015 snowpack in the Sierra Nevada is unprecedented,” said Valerie Trouet, one of the authors of the study and a paleoclimatologist at the
University of Arizona. “We expected it to be bad, but we certainly didn’t expect it to be the worst in the past 500 years.”
Snowmelt from the Sierra Nevada fills reservoirs that provide a third of all of the drinking water for the state of California, as well as water
to fight wildfires and to generate electricity.
“The scope of this is profound,” said Thomas Painter, a snow hydrologist with NASA’s Airborne Snow Observatory. He said that models like the one
developed in the study suggested a dry future for California in years beyond the current drought. “This has been a very bad drought, and being able to
understand the context of it is extraordinarily important.”
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An interesting read for explaining what some think is a conspiracy, but there is absolutely no substance there, just a lot of general statements about
"scientists and experts" ---- just generalities. Basically a fluff piece.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_global_warming_on_o...
https://www.edx.org/course/making-sense-climate-science-deni...
Oil consumption vs CO2 production … respectively
http://www.api.org/statistics/
Sure glad they got the "ice core" samples ... when they did
An interesting "dip" in oil production and/or use around the period of the "Oil Embargo" which took gas prices from .34-.37 to the level of today
which are well over 3.00/gal .. ... however, we® rather than change our usage as recommended by President Carter ... went the other way ... and now
where are we (rhetorical question) 
Perhaps 10.00 dollar a gallon would help ... sure would cut down on just cruising around for sure ... say, does one just cruise around anymore ...
used to be the "thing" back in the day
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| Quote: Originally posted by DianaT |
An interesting read for explaining what some think is a conspiracy, but there is absolutely no substance there, just a lot of general statements about
"scientists and experts" ---- just generalities. Basically a fluff piece.
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Agree, Diana. Where do these bloggers like Alex Newman get their "fluff"? He cites no sources just generalizes specious information but equal to the
intelligence level of those who want to gobble it up.
Here's a recent article from a reliable source. http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
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When considering sea level rise, you need to distinguish between land ice and sea ice. The article states that there is more Antarctic sea ice than
previously measured. That's true, but remember it's the middle of winter in the southern hemisphere.
The fact that the amount of sea based ice has increased is not surprising. Winters are really cold in Antarctica.
The sea ice will melt in the summer.
What's important when considering sea level rise is the state of the land based ice. Land based ice is decreasing in Antarctica, as it is in
Greenland, as it is all over the globe due to melting glaciers.
According to the world's most prestigious scientific organizations, this world wide land based ice melt is due to anthropomorphic global warming.
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The following is from:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice-inter...
"Antarctica is a continent with 98% of the land covered by ice, and is surrounded by ocean that has much of its surface covered by seasonal sea ice.
Reporting on Antarctic ice often fails to recognise the fundamental difference between sea ice and land ice. Antarctic land ice is the ice which has
accumulated over thousands of years on the Antarctica landmass through snowfall. This land ice therefore is actually stored ocean water that once
evaporated and then fell as precipitation on the land. Antarctic sea ice is entirely different as it is ice which forms in salt water during the
winter and almost entirely melts again in the summer.
Importantly, when land ice melts and flows into the oceans global sea levels rise on average; when sea ice melts sea levels do not change measurably
but other parts of the climate system are affected, like increased absorbtion of solar energy by the darker oceans."
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Great news for planet earth and humanity!
(now watch for the doomsday bunch to dismiss the article and push for more Big Government/ Less Freedom) |
You mean - "those 3-4 BN that were home-schooled and didn't believe in vaccinations", like somebody said earlier (or in any school for that matter),
and don't know the difference btw 3-4 and 3/4
The article is rather biased and confused, unlike the OP info from NASA. The style, with all that red lines and some expressions that they use, is
aimed to stir emotions rather than provide info. By standards of science world it looks as if it was written by 19-year old or by somebody high on
drugs. Comments to the article are more interesting, though.
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Those who argue that man-made climate change is not really occurring are no different from those who used to argue, against the evidence, that the
world was flat.
They are wrong, and it is impossible to reason with them on the matter.
They wish to only to "debate" the issue, since the very existence of the debate can make people shrug and think that it is a hotly debated subject.
But there is as much merit to the deniers' position as there was to the earlier view that the Earth was flat, and that everything in the universe
revolved around the Earth.
Who gains from the deniers' insipid discourse? Why, the petroleum and coal industries, which want to continue their lucrative business of extracting,
refining and selling fossil fuels. But the burning of those fuels, using current technologies, must lead to our extinction and ruin.
We must find another way to provide energy for ourselves, or another way to burn and use fossil fuels, if that is possible.
Denying climate change will not address the problem at all. Trying to reason with those who deny it is more unpromising than trying to show a raccoon
how to make a spinach quiche using only organic ingredients. But at least the raccoon will listen to you in good faith.
“Sometimes the questions are complicated and the answers are simple.” Dr. Seuss
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| Quote: Originally posted by Zola | | Those who argue that man-made climate change is not really occurring are no different from those who used to argue, against the evidence, that the
world was flat. |
Vast majority of environment scientists agree that man-made climate change is occurring.
There are kinds of deniers, as usual: those with political agenda (read - money agenda), and average Joe Schmoe with not enough education to
understand these things. So he will listen to those who yell louder. Especially when this is something that he wants to hear, something that wouldn't
require him to do anything about it.
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