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ramuma53
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Good question. From Oliguacamoles's Own words, or Olivia's or Mark own words here, they accepted and said here that they were going to serve the stew
to a group of Ensenada families, now the turtle was planted, make up your mind, because you lies are showing up here Olivia.
Ok you made a big mistake, just accept it; you know it will cost you a lot of money, but I don't think more than that, depending on how good they got
you and how hard the Nature organizations press to make an example of you, but you know that usually that do not happen, so just tell the true story.
by the way the black hotel's truck is in Loreto at the mechanic, do you want to check, also all my employees are in the hotel if you want to check
also.
I also agree that the people who was waiting to eat the turtles should have been prosecuted and Olivia must know who they are since she was making
them a really big favor by warming the turtle stew; you will do that free only for people who are very familiar with you so just ask them to come
forward and take the heat from you; if you don't know them, it means that it was for sale 
Olivia, you are hanging yourself with your own words 
Also Mark, you threatened my employees yesterday in Mulege at the tire store with killing them like it will happen to me; how is it that you are very
brave only with women, why don you threaten me in my face next time you see me instead of runing like like you always do ???????? many people say you
are a nice guy, but nice guys do not threaten to kill people, or they do??? let see you next time and you know you will see me.
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roundtuit
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SOAPS
How long has GENERAL HOSPITAL been on TV and aren't some of the characters getting pretty OLD !!! Next we have DAYS OF OUR LIVES
Never learned from a book-Only from mistakes, mine and yours
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ELINVESTIG8R
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I can only hope what Rafael has said is not true with respect to Mark making death threats to his employees and Rafael. That would be very
unfortunate. Conversely, Rafael if you are not telling the truth that too is just as unfortunate.
Making a death threat is as we all know serious business and should never be said unless you want to go to jail for a long time. Also, making false
statements to police about said death threats will also get you thrown in jail. We all know this but it is good to re-look at what can happen to
someone if the above happens.
It’s been my experience that true killers don’t go around advertising they are going to kill someone. If they do they are stupid and get caught. It’s
the ones who don’t say anything that one needs to worry about. If any of the above is true whether it be death threats or lies about death threats
then cooler heads need to prevail. Let the true and correct evidence fall where it falls in court.
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OLIGUACOMOLE
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FAMILIES AND DEATH THREATS
The man who came in to the restaurant said the party for 20+ persons were his family and friends from the another beach. Three seperate women from
different families camping on our beach, not part of the 20+ were witness to this man entering the restaurant with the blue covered pot and bringing
it into the kitchen. Testimony will be given by these three women as to what they witnessed.
We are fairly busy during these times with adults and children coming and going throughout the day. We are serving drinks, serving food, people are
taking showers, etc. We are just trying to provide a service so people can enjoy themselves here on the bay.
As to me making threats to your employees or you, I will call you a liar. I take this very seriously.
Maybe you should just go to court with your problems. I don't care to fight with you! I just want you to go away.
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OLIGUACOMOLE
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Allegations of Death threats
I would like to write more on Munoz'zz comments with me threatening him and his employees. This is totally false and a blatant lie. We have nothing to
gain with this tactic. We do not act in this manner. People of Mulege I feel could vouch a character reference on me, Olivia and this subject.
Olivia and I just want to live in peace, eat a fish taco and visit with our friends. We have tried to provide services legally and honest to mexicans
and all other tourists. We are not greedy people. Munoz moved into our hotel when we were gone six years ago. It has taken part of the fun out of
"eating my fish taco".
I feel Rafael Munoz is a desperate man willing to do anything to win. He will say or write anything that would help change the negative opinion of
him, and try and tarnish ours. He has a reputation of claiming other Ejido land in similar manner. He has not had very good success. For some reason
we were caught in his sights and targeted. I believe it was because Olivia was divorced female and there were structures here. Whatever the reason it
has to be settled in court. Olivia has had this in court for over six years and we are going to win. We have struggled through this and our friends
and family have suffered with us. It is not fair, but if one knows how to play the legal system it can be grueling. If the perpetrators can get you to
leave they might be able to take possession! This is the game we have had to play. It is important because it could happen to anyone.
We have had to live with abusive Munoz tactics for all these years. This turtle thing is just one more. The only threat we have made is him to
challenge this Rafael Munoz in court.
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Howard
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What once was an entertaining thread has become extremely boring and a case of he said she said. All parties will keep flaping there jaws and it will
just keep going and going. I think the most honorable person and maybe the most truthfull party will put all this he said she said to rest and settle
it in court rather than trying to protect their bravado.
As someone once said "silence speaks volumes". As far as I am concerned, the next person who is one of the parties speaks on this forum is the less
honorable person.
It should be interesting who speaks first.
We don't stop playing because we grow old;
we grow old because we stop playing
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Rafael, Mark and Olivia...Keep it coming in this forum. You will at least have a place to vent until the court date.
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ramuma53
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Mark, this is not the first time you do it, only most of the times you do it in a situation where there is your word against some one else and you
never were brave enough to try it with me, but several times you have done it to women working in the hotel, only this time you did it in town, in
front of another people and in front of the tire store employees who were able to confirm that you went to them while changing a tire; I mention it
this time because you did it in public in in front of withness in a demostrabe way.
I know, dog that barg don't bite but what boders me is that this NICE GUY who sells sea turtle, do it only to women while always run when confronted
with men; you by experience know that you can not fight with me, you went down at the first blow last time you tried to atack us, Juan also put you
down when you atacked the mail man but that is no excuse to now do it exclusively with woman.
I own the place with property titles, I have a Hotel, you have only a concession on a 20 mts strip that belong to public property; you violate the law
in several ways, who do you think will go?
I have never even bothered your employees, but you know you do it all the time up to the point of going in to my hotel to tell people that you rent a
house cheaper, or you will denie it too Mark?
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ramuma53
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Sorry, but I have no court date, it is only Olivia Against 4 Americans from who she is trying to take their house; since the Ejdio droped their claims
against me, I am not a part of the claims; she was claiming that my titles were false and those have already proved true, so I have no court
apointment, I won already; sorry I ca not say the same for the 4 Americans.
yes it may be boring, but this board is 11 pages long with a lot of people saying something
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Bajahowodd
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Bat Guano!
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Byron
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Tear down the fences!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ramuma53
I won already |
It doesn´t seem like it.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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So what is the bottom line Rafael, Mark and Olivia? What does each side want to end the feud between you guys? Please line it out in order of
priority.
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Also if the cahuama stew was not made by Olivia and Mark then someone did bring it in as they allege. Rafael if you did not do it but know who did
bring the cahuama stew as alleged will you do the right thing and make that anonymous call to the federal jurisdiction investigating the incident and
let them know who the culprits are?
May you guys resolve this in a peaceful manner.
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Marla Daily
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Off topic: Any thread have more hits than this in such a short time?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Marla Daily
Off topic: Any thread have more hits than this in such a short time? |
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When does the next episode of " As Mulege Turns " debut ? Maybe someone should drive down there to make sure there hasn't been a shoot out at the OK
corral .
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ramuma53
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ELINVEST8
1.- Olivia and Mark quit bringing and selling drugs to Buenaventura beach
2.- She and Mark quit acting like gangsters
3.- Let the District Atorney solve all the claims for good or bad, do not brive them.
4.- Quit bothering the Americans about their houses in Agrarian Court.
5.- Just stay in Federal Zone, do not invade my property
6.- One extra sorry DO NOT HARM AMIMALS.
Are those so difficult???? I think they are.
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OLIGUACOMOLE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
So what is the bottom line Rafael, Mark and Olivia? What does each side want to end the feud between you guys? Please line it out in order of
priority.
1.
2.
3.
4.
Also if the cahuama stew was not made by Olivia and Mark then someone did bring it in as they allege. Rafael if you did not do it but know who did
bring the cahuama stew as alleged will you do the right thing and make that anonymous call to the federal jurisdiction investigating the incident and
let them know who the culprits are?
May you guys resolve this in a peaceful manner. |
Number One: Finish court in La Paz. Respect what the court awards. We win...Munoz respects us....Munoz wins I respect him.
Number Two: Respect our human rights.
Number Three: Quit charging for the use of our Federal Concession
Number Four: Stop writing lies. Stop bogus Ministeral Publico reports against us. Stop presenting false papers.
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comitan
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When its over,it won't be over because they will then be fighting over the movie rights. THAT'S where the money is.
[Edited on 4-25-2009 by comitan]
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Rafael:
1. What proof do you have that Olivia and Mark are bringing and selling drugs at Buenaventura beach?
2. When you say quit acting like gangsters will you please expound upon that? How are Olivia and Mark acting like gangsters?
3. When you say that Olivia and Mark should let the District Attorney solve the legal claims for or against them and not bribe the DA. Do you have
evidence that they have bribed the DA’s office or are about to bribe the DA’s office.
4. Do Olivia and Mark have a legal claim with respect to the Americans regarding their homes in Agrarian Court? Explain your thoughts.
5. When you say to Olivia and Mark to stay in the Federal Zone and not invade your property. How do they invade your property?
6. To your personal knowledge with your own eyes have you ever seen either Olivia or Mark harm any animals?
Olivia and Mark:
1. What is pending in court in La Paz?
2. When you say respect human rights please be a little more specific. Which human rights is Rafael guilty of violating?
3. What proof/evidence do you have to show that Rafael is charging for the use of your Federal Concession?
4. What lies is Rafael writing about you?
5. Please expound on your assertion that Rafael is filing fictitious Ministerial Publico reports against you. What were they?
6. Which false paper do you refer to?
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