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David K
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There has been no news.
Her burned-out truck was under a Hwy 1 bridge near El Crucero. Nothing else reported.
Her two sons have added nothing on Facebook or any emails to me since the last one for public viewing, reported here.
We all want and need closure.
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dboyd3852
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Anybody anywhere protesting at all about her disappearance? I have written ALL of my legislative representatives both in California and nationally
with little or no response. I also warn anyone going to Mexico not to go because of what happened to MaryAnn. She does not deserve to be forgotten
and/or ignored. I wish for closure too but I'm not sure her family or friends will ever get it. VERY disappointed in both Mexican and American
authorities.
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by dboyd3852  | | Anybody anywhere protesting at all about her disappearance? I have written ALL of my legislative representatives both in California and nationally
with little or no response. I also warn anyone going to Mexico not to go because of what happened to MaryAnn. She does not deserve to be forgotten
and/or ignored. I wish for closure too but I'm not sure her family or friends will ever get it. VERY disappointed in both Mexican and American
authorities. |
Unfortunately, many disappearances in Mexico go unsolved…
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/10/03/world/america...
https://versionpublicarnpdno.segob.gob.mx/Dashboard/Index
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: Originally posted by dboyd3852 | | Anybody anywhere protesting at all about her disappearance? I have written ALL of my legislative representatives both in California and nationally
with little or no response. I also warn anyone going to Mexico not to go because of what happened to MaryAnn. She does not deserve to be forgotten
and/or ignored. I wish for closure too but I'm not sure her family or friends will ever get it. VERY disappointed in both Mexican and American
authorities. |
The most likely way they ever find her remains in our lifetime is if they apprehend the killers and they confess where they dumped her remains (plea
bargain).
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KHumfreville
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Skipjack Joe is most likely correct, and it's extremely unfortunate for my mom and our family and friends.
It seems as if though many, many residents in Bahia know not only about what happened, but who is responsible. I have had several local residents of
Bahia contact me directly to tell me that 2 men were seen in her truck in Nuevo Rosarito a day or two after she went missing, with the truck partially
spray painted black. Those two men were identified as Carlos Estrada (https://www.facebook.com/carlos.estrada.5243) and Gabriel Vale Arce (https://www.facebook.com/Karkajez/).
I have had many additional locals contact me directly to tell me that Gabriel Vale Arce is responsible for what has happened to my mom.
I have had several other locals contact me to let me know about a few other individuals also connected with this, including some names from the more
prominent historical families within Bahia.
We believe that local people want to rid themselves of guilt, and they think that by telling her family what they know, they will do this, however it
does nothing because the federal investigators need them to speak with them and testify with their information (anonymously or not) in order for it to
make a difference. The people who know will simply not speak to anyone who it could make a difference with because they are afraid of corruptness,
even on the federal level, and they are afraid of retaliation if it were to become known that they spoke out.
This and much more detailed information has been reported to the federal investigators in both Mexico and the U.S.
It seems that everyone knows, and no-one will speak up. By doing so, they show the criminals that this type of thing can continue to happen without
consequence.
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John M
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Question
Are Estrada and Arce residents of Bahia de Los Angeles as far as you know? If so, then I'd think the risk for residents as well as for tourists
remains higher.
My heart breaks every time I think of your mom. Tragic events.
Kindest regards
John M
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KHumfreville
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They are both residents. Estrada was (is?) married to Osiris Diaz who works at the local delegate office. He is known as one who is involved in the
illegal net fishing that goes on.
Arce is a friend of them, though they both deny it if asked. He is said to be the son of a local head of drug activity.
The risk is not worth the reward.
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mtgoat666
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Sorry for your loss. I know how frustrating it is to know who the perps are, but be prevented from seeing justice.
A concerted letter-writing campaign by many Americans and Mexicans may light a fire under uncaring Mexican government officials that find it too easy
to skate thru their jobs ignoring their duties.
In another thread today, it was said the local muni is going to start putting better cops in BOLA…. I hope the cops do something to clean up the
criminals that are unchecked in BOLA…
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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KHumfreville
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So far mass letter writing has gone uncared for.
I have heard the same recently about the local police situation. It's a good step that I hope makes a difference for everyone.
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David K
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Thanks for joining Baja Nomad, Kevin.
There are many here who knew or admired your parents.
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BajaBlanca
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I too express my condolences for your loss.
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bajaric
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Last August I looked at the bridge where the truck was found, Puente las Viboras. (sp?) The bridge is in the middle of nowhere on Hwy 1 about 30 Km
north of the BOLA junction. There was evidence of a vehicle fire under the bridge. I took pictures but do not want to post them on here. If they
might be of any use let me know and I can email them.
It is not possible to see under the bridge from the highway, you have to walk down a short dirt road to view the hidden area under the bridge.
Condolences and hopes that someday justice will be served.
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BajaTed
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The perps have local family and they need to loose their jobs and get the fear of God put in them, someone, somehow needs to put the squeeze on them
and make them fearful.
The new Cops should squeeze the Perps to keep the Status Quo, the community needs to say that is not enough, The moment won't last, someone needs to
act out
Es Todo Bueno
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Hook
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed | The perps have local family and they need to loose their jobs and get the fear of God put in them, someone, somehow needs to put the squeeze on them
and make them fearful.
The new Cops should squeeze the Perps to keep the Status Quo, the community needs to say that is not enough, The moment won't last, someone needs to
act out
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Sounds to me like FEAR in the population IS the status quo. No locals, whether the authorities or residents, are going to get involved. Same ol' rural
Mexico, different communidad.
It's going to take an outside agency, with bigger firepower than the local gang, to fix this. Is there a Guarda Nacional presence in BOLA? I am
thinking not.
They are everywhere over here, now, after yet another municipal police commander was murdered and there was a high profile attempt on the new mayor's
life, in her first two weeks in office.
Sadly, and ironically, an innocent bystander who was part of a protest against femicide in Mexico at city hall, was killed. An 18 year old female. The
attack went down in broad daylight, right in front of city hall, with a military presence nearby. One perp was also killed. The others got away.
Military checkpoints and patrols are a way of life over here, now.
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Skipjack Joe
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That must be frustrating. To know who the murderer is and not be able to do anything about it. It's almost insulting. To face the murderer on the
street while he smiles at you knowing that you're incapable of doing anything to him. That's too hard to even imagine.
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe | | That must be frustrating. To know who the murderer is and not be able to do anything about it. It's almost insulting. To face the murderer on the
street while he smiles at you knowing that you're incapable of doing anything to him. That's too hard to even imagine. |
That's one way to look at it.
Another way is that there are people who are capable of helping justice along.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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advrider
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I'm with Lee on this one!
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thebajarunner
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Lee has my vote
And I wasn't even a Marine
Just a poor old sailor
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David K
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Karma
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BajaTed
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God works in strange ways.
Es Todo Bueno
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