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BAJACAT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SiReNiTa
Brilliantly said Paula!
True mexican hospitals are not state of the art, but there are still doctors out there that have passion for saving lives, it's thanks to one of those
doctors that I'm alive today.
I know that the doctors that are with Ron now are doing everything they can, and not only for the financial reward.
Bad things happen to good people every day, here, there and everywhere... The best we can do is stay positive and believe that together bit by bit we
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Sirenita you are a lady just like your mom, thanks for
the help, our prayers are with them...one more time it's shown that this board is alot help in bad situations, and this is a bad situation....thanks
to all that when out of their way in helping..
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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Pompano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paula
| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
Mexican hospitals are pure bullpuckey for whatever gosh darn reasons.
I know from experience with wife Felipa when her appendix burst in La Paz... and all the chit I went through to save her life..money talks.
My offer is raised to $2000 USD to anyone that can get these two in need to a US hospital in time to do some good. Screw the gosh darn rules and
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I am not questioning your bad experience in La Paz, Roger, but when Don and I had an emergency situation that was dealt with inadequately in Loreto--
Fidepaz came through brilliantly. Great doctors, compassionate care. Further treatment rendered in Guadalajara was also first rate. For every
Mexican medical horror story there is an American experience to match it. And vice-versa.
I think that it is in Ron and Cristina's best interest for all of us to stay focused and positive. We have to assume that everyone involved is doing
their best in this sad situation-- those who are personally involved and those who are doing their jobs as professionals.
Serenita is doing an amazing job as a switchboard here. She's juggling her home life with the situation, and staying cool, helpful and positive.
It's so good that she and Shari and Blanca and others are hands on helping.
Of course we all wish for the best outcome here-- Ron is a good guy, and it is so sad that this horrible thing has happened to him and to Cristina.
The best we can do at this point is to keep up with what is happening and to be ready to jump in when there is something we can do to help. It goes
without saying that we all care deeply, and most of us would like to do more than is possible at this point. |
Our experience was vastly different.
I won't say any more about the difference between US and Mexican hospitals.
The main point is that she survived that fiasco. For that fact, I remain eternally grateful to greater powers that were looking out for her.
This focus is on Ron and Cristina.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Skipjack Joe
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Err on the side of caution
| Quote: | Originally posted by SiReNiTa
Ron's swelling did go down, so that's great news.
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This seems suspicious to me. Twelve hours after a head injury and the swelling went down? The swelling should be at it's peak at about this time.
If the head injury was truly as traumatic as it seemed to be I still think Ron should still be taken to a US hospital and have a thorough examination.
There can be internal injuries which are not evident.
I know of several cases in peru where patients were released from hospitals after head injuries and collapsed afterwards.
One thing they both have going for them - they're young.
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jureal
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Been away from the computer all day and I found this news about BajaGringo. The outpouring of well wishes and offers of assistance and actual
assistance given to Ron and Cristina are absolutely amazing. Bravo to everyone! We will be praying for Ron and Cristinas full recovery and will be
keeping an eye on Bajanomad for hopefully more good news. Get well.
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grace59
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What horrible news! My thoughts and prayers to Ron, Christina and their families!!
Whenever I hear that rainy, chill wind blow. I think it may be time to head for Mexico. Tengo que obedecer mi corazon!
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windgrrl
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Paula you are a wise woman. SiReNiTa you are an awesome guardian angel.
Sending thoughts of healing energy and for the best possible outcome to you Ron and your wife Cristina.
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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BornFisher
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The worst and best day on Baja Nomad.
Again, thanks to the folks on this board who stepped up. And Gracias for the internet.
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Ken Cooke
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Very well said..
| Quote: | Originally posted by BornFisher
The worst and best day on Baja Nomad.
Again, thanks to the folks on this board who stepped up. And Gracias for the internet. |
I'm hoping for a fast recovery and that this crime is dealt with properly.
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Mulegena
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Without diagnostics such as a CATscan and MRI it would be impossible to know the extent of a head injury, impossible to definitively know if the
intra-cranial pressure had subsided. They are, I'm sure, monitoring his blood pressure and other vital signs which is indicative of his general state.
If the hospital to which Ron was transported hasn't these capabilities, he should be moved immediately to one that does for proper, adequate care.
This is the bottom line! | Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by SiReNiTa
Ron's swelling did go down, so that's great news.
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This seems suspicious to me. Twelve hours after a head injury and the swelling went down? The swelling should be at it's peak at about this time.
If the head injury was truly as traumatic as it seemed to be I still think Ron should still be taken to a US hospital and have a thorough examination.
There can be internal injuries which are not evident.
I know of several cases in peru where patients were released from hospitals after head injuries and collapsed afterwards.
One thing they both have going for them - they're young. |
[Edited on 9-12-2011 by Mulegena]
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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RichBaja
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Someone in the area may want to watch Ron's house. This news will travel fast and everyone in the area (good and bad) will know who the "gringo" is
and where he lives. The low life entrepreneurs will see an opportunity.
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Ken Cooke
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Hopefully, Cristina's family will set up residence in Ron/Cristina's home. Ron told me that her family is from San Quintin, so I'm hoping that they
move in temporarily.
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JESSE
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I would second the advice of getting further tests after being released from any medical facility in Mexico you don't know well. The costs of seeing
another doctor to confirm everything is ok is well worth it.
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JESSE
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I did a little research regarding laws concerning medical transports. It appears 1st responders can pretty much go anywhere they want without any
authorization from anybody. But AFTER an ambulance leaves you at a hospital or clinic, theres pretty strict laws regarding transfers from HOSPITAL to
HOSPITAL.
The basic rules are:
1.-Name of the patient
2.-Name of the doctor who will receive the patient at the receiving hospital
3.-Written autorization by patient or family members
4.-Initial emergency tests, diagnosis, and actions taken
It appears if the medical facility or doctor moves the patient without consent from family or patient, and the patient dies, they are legally liable
and responsible.
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willyAirstream
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My thoughts prayers go out to Ron and Cristina. May this all work out for a full recovery.
As Ron is a Vet he can use DAV services. Disabled American Veterans. This is a volunteer organization whose sole purpose is to transport any vet to a
VA hospital. These folks go the extra mile and will get it done. They have vans and ambulances and can possibly arrange for a doc on board. It is a
free service for all vets. There numbers and emails are here http://www.dav.org/volunteers/documents/HSCDirectory.pdf
You only need Rons full name and last 4 of his SS # to prove he is a vet for DAV and VA hospitals.
Great job SiReNiTa and high five to all Nomads - what a fantastic community.
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BajaNomad
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| Quote: | Originally posted by AmoPescar
Anymore word from anyone about whether Cristina might have legal residency status in the US???
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Don't know what her actual U.S. status is, but can tell you I first met both Ron and Cristina (in-person)
in San Diego when they were passing through on their way north to see family (I believe) one time.
fwiw
[Edited on 9-12-2011 by BajaNomad]
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Mulegena
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Is it known why the facility at which Ron is being cared was chosen for initial transport?
Is this hospital the most appropriate to provide diagnostics and care for his needs?
His well-being, dianosis, treatment and recovery is the bottom line.
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
I did a little research regarding laws concerning medical transports. It appears 1st responders can pretty much go anywhere they want without any
authorization from anybody. But AFTER an ambulance leaves you at a hospital or clinic, theres pretty strict laws regarding transfers from HOSPITAL to
HOSPITAL.
The basic rules are:
1.-Name of the patient
2.-Name of the doctor who will receive the patient at the receiving hospital
3.-Written autorization by patient or family members
4.-Initial emergency tests, diagnosis, and actions taken
It appears if the medical facility or doctor moves the patient without consent from family or patient, and the patient dies, they are legally liable
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[Edited on 9-12-2011 by Mulegena]
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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fdt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
Is it known why the facility at which Ron is being cared was chosen for initial transport?
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As for details like this, very little is known. We don't even know who transported them, police, Cruz Roja, private party?
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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BajaNomad
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Lots of positive thoughts for Ron, Cristina, and the family members who have much to manage and consider at this difficult time.
When I was young, I admired clever people. Now that I am old, I admire kind people.
– Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel
We know we must go back if we live, and we don`t know why.
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Pompano
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Ron truly has a heart of gold and I know just how much he loves Cristina. To show his immense character and love of his fellow man I share this email
with you. It speaks volumes about the man.
He wrote to me at a time when I was in a blue funk.
From: Ron Hoff <>
Subject: Thanks Roger...
To: bajaroger
Date: Tuesday, 2011, 8:23 AM
Life is a mixed bag and sometimes it just seems to hit us below the belt at times - often when we are least prepared. My friend, I am very sorry and
hope your circumstances and perspective soon change for the better. Wishing you only the best in life Roger and I thank you for all the wonderful
stories and photos you have shared with us over these past years. Many of those have inspired much of the effort and resources I have put into
building a similar life for Cristina and I here on our little remote part of this peninsula.
Even if we don't see you posting, you will not be forgotten. Thanks again my friend...
Ron
Well, that's the kind of guy we all love. I re-read this often. His letter still inspires me to think and do more for others ..and not dwell on
personal woes.
My thanks, Ron...godspeed you to Cristina's side and a long life together. You are a survivor...beat this.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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BajaBlanca
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good morning everyone. Hopefully Cristine and her husband know a little about head injuries - one has to become educated to know the extent of damage
and the future conseguences which can be severe.
If they have a computer, perhaps show them the Baja Nomad site so they can see how we are all begging for Ron to be examined by the best and only the
best.
It would be nicve to hear more about how Cristina is doing. Sounds like she is Ron's Life and we must make sure she is getting the best of the best
care as well 
We will be gone all morning, but leave a message on my phone if there is anything I can do.
This is indeed, in times of need, one amazing community that I am VERY proud to be a part of. If we all took that liitle or big extra step to help
our fellow human - maybe this tragedy would not have happened in the first place.
Thanks Sirenita for going that extra mile !! and all the others who did their part...
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