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Interesting concept, in a "megadrought" ... expansion of hydroelectric power generation .. 
Cooling wasn't a big one ... by most in the scientific community, at that period in time, some thought it would go the cooling way, most did not, and
by the late 70s the hard data was in ... on the Ozone depletion and the causative agents and/or chemical reactions that were generating the problem
Just took a while to get everyone in all effected industries (that one could) to just sit down and start talking about "it" ... and setting some kinda
"numbers" to shoot for ... as it related to decreasing generation of identified materials from "production" and/or "use"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | | Quote: Originally posted by motoged |
David,
Your comments are so anti-government most of the time, I am wondering if you think we would all be better off with no "government" at all.
What amount and kind of benefits do you enjoy as a result of any form of "government" taxation and subsequent benefits provided?
Just curious, as you seem to drop your government-hater innuendos quite frequently. 
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No Ged, I am not an anarchist, I am a firm believer in the Constitution and that it is the rule book for all national government activities.
Government is needed at all levels in a society, but within its specified boundaries. Citizens do not need or should have a nanny government. Time to
grow up and be responsible!
What history has shown: A government that governs least, governs best.
Places with the most government fail, are corrupt, or are prisons: Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea are examples of what more government is like.
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How do you think you can get away with this gibberish David? You can't just wave your magic right wing wand and say "history" proves something...
You cite extreme examples as if everything else just falls into place. Poll after poll shows people (referring to the world that is...not just San
Diego) that are happiest have LOTS of government involvement. Of course, if we bring up these countries you'll just say they are clueless socialist
airheads who really don't know what freedom is all about.
Obviously this country of ours is broken because of a socialist Commander in Chief. Since you are a history buff, what era of the United States would
you like to cite as an example of your "government free" zone?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | | Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by motoged |
David,
Your comments are so anti-government most of the time, I am wondering if you think we would all be better off with no "government" at all.
What amount and kind of benefits do you enjoy as a result of any form of "government" taxation and subsequent benefits provided?
Just curious, as you seem to drop your government-hater innuendos quite frequently.
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No Ged, I am not an anarchist, I am a firm believer in the Constitution and that it is the rule book for all national government activities.
Government is needed at all levels in a society, but within its specified boundaries. Citizens do not need or should have a nanny government. Time to
grow up and be responsible!
What history has shown: A government that governs least, governs best.
Places with the most government fail, are corrupt, or are prisons: Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea are examples of what more government is like.
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Honduras is currently going through a "less" government (libertarian) experiment, perhaps you should look into this David:
http://www.economist.com/node/21541391
An opinion of a traveler there:
http://www.salon.com/2015/03/02/my_libertarian_vacation_nigh... |
LOL---------well, no bias or prejudice in THOSE articles in SALON / THE ECONOMIST. (righttttt) Most of the stuff the "traveler" b-tched about I
can't really relate to-------never saw things that way in my travels, but whatever. Personally, I like Hong Kong. His description of the
residences & businesses reminded me of Mexicali back in the '70's and '80's------don't know what it is like now, but I do know that it did not
bother me then.
Different strokes for different folks.
Barry |
I was always under the impression that The Economist was a neutral or slightly right leaning publication. And I did label the Salon article as an
opinion. Anyway, you and and especially David are seemingly always on the ant-government bandwagon so I thought it would be of interest. Hell, if it
works I'd be all for it. Just haven't heard a whole lot of rave reviews about libertarian experiments. Heh, Somalia, just to take it to an extreme,
Rhetoric 101 you know, is a perfect example of capitalism unfettered...no government interference at all. LOL.
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It seems that climate change deniers are motivated by their economic and political views to deny inconvenient facts. seems to remind me of holocaust
deniers,...
these people need to accept the facts and move on to the next topic: what to do in the face of such facts
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I am not "anti-Govt."-------------I just want Govt. to remain small, and for the most part work within the boundaries set by the USA Constitution.
Simple as that.
I believe that most of the social welfare programs, and endless regulations the Fed. and State Governments promulgate, and spends so many tax dollars
on, does more harm than good generally speaking.
This is the over-riding theme of ALL my political comments.
I also realize that roughly half the people out there don't agree with me, and those folks do provide a valuable contribution to man-kind on balance.
But often their efforts seek to impose restrictions on me that are highly annoying, I think are counter-productive, and are generally detrimental to
human progress.
The so-called "nanny state" model just is largely a huge mistake, IMO.
I will let it go at that.
Barry
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Environment = Nature and/or Mother Nature
This video makes the point, quite well ... and also puts in perspective, our part in "Nature"
It is evolution, after all, are you ready for "IT" ... 
http://www.takepart.com/video/2014/10/06/nature-speaking-mot...
"Don't ever think it can't happen to you"
[Edited on 3-11-2015 by wessongroup]
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It isn't just the "half that don't pay taxes" who loves some free "stuff". How about those banks who get to borrow money at ZERO interest to invest in
the stock market or buy T Bills, and collect interest from the government? How about the farmers, (who are mostly mega-corporations) who get
government subsidies to grow corn to turn into fuel? How about the ranchers who pay a ridiculously low grazing fee that doesn't come close to paying
for the damage that their cows do to public land? It seems that just about everyone "loves free stuff".
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | The half that don't pay taxes love all the 'free' stuff... they think money is created by the government, and that they just print it, so it can be
given away. Money is created by business... by people running business, providing a product or service that is needed or desired. As a business
becomes successful (because of its popularity or need), it becomes a corporation for protection of the owners or stockholders.
Why they hate corporations (business) is beyond me, as corporations create products we chose to buy and hire us to make them... and they pay taxes, as
well as all the employees paying taxes.
The biggest laugh I get from liberals is when they say to raise taxes on the corporations, that the corporations don't pay enough! LOL
Anybody with any education cannot deny that the consumer pays the taxes, and that if you raise taxes on business, that cost is passed down with higher
prices. If a business doesn't pass it along, then the odds increase the business will fail with the drop in income needed to make products, and more
so to pay employees. Over-taxing business hurts workers... hurts business owners... and hurts consumers who want what that business offered.
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Excellent Economics 101 lesson DK, thanks.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | I am not "anti-Govt."-------------I just want Govt. to remain small, and for the most part work within the boundaries set by the USA Constitution.
Simple as that.
I believe that most of the social welfare programs, and endless regulations the Fed. and State Governments promulgate, and spends so many tax dollars
on, does more harm than good generally speaking.
This is the over-riding theme of ALL my political comments.
I also realize that roughly half the people out there don't agree with me, and those folks do provide a valuable contribution to man-kind on balance.
But often their efforts seek to impose restrictions on me that are highly annoying, I think are counter-productive, and are generally detrimental to
human progress.
The so-called "nanny state" model just is largely a huge mistake, IMO.
I will let it go at that.
Barry |
OK Barry enlighten me. Just what government services are allowed and which are not under the constitution (so the government can stay small).
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To quote David:
"The biggest laugh I get from liberals is when they say to raise taxes on the corporations, that the corporations don't pay enough! LOL"
You just keep laughing David, and in between your howls of mirth, take a moment to explain to this liberal why I shouldn't say that US corporations
should pay their share of taxes.
In a study conducted with tax returns from 2008 until 2012, Citizens for Tax Justice, with a 30 year history of studying the US tax system, reviewed
288 of the Fortune 500 companies which made a consistent profit and found that although the corporate tax rate in the US is 35% these companies
actually paid only 19.4% taxes on their billions and billions in income. A third of those 288 corporations paid less than 10% tax on their income.
Just under 10% of the biggest corporations PAID NO TAXES TO THE U. S. AT ALL.
If you subtract what the 288 corporations actually paid from what the number would have been if they had paid their 35%, their total government
hand-out in corporate welfare over 5 years adds up to 364 BILLION dollars.
Boeing, General Electric, Priceline.com, and Verizon had pre-tax profits of 170 billion dollars, but paid no taxes.
The last time in recent US history that we had a solid economy and a thriving middle class, the corporations were paying their legal share.
Explain to me please why I shouldn't say that corporate America doesn't pay enough.
[Edited on 3-11-2015 by vgabndo]
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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| Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | The half that don't pay taxes love all the 'free' stuff... they think money is created by the government, and that they just print it, so it can be
given away. Money is created by business... by people running business, providing a product or service that is needed or desired. As a business
becomes successful (because of its popularity or need), it becomes a corporation for protection of the owners or stockholders.
Why they hate corporations (business) is beyond me, as corporations create products we chose to buy and hire us to make them... and they pay taxes, as
well as all the employees paying taxes.
The biggest laugh I get from liberals is when they say to raise taxes on the corporations, that the corporations don't pay enough! LOL
Anybody with any education cannot deny that the consumer pays the taxes, and that if you raise taxes on business, that cost is passed down with higher
prices. If a business doesn't pass it along, then the odds increase the business will fail with the drop in income needed to make products, and more
so to pay employees. Over-taxing business hurts workers... hurts business owners... and hurts consumers who want what that business offered.
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Excellent Economics 101 lesson DK, thanks. |
See the news today? Florida governor Scott banned the use of terms like "climate change." You GOP deniers are nuts! And dangerous fascist
anti-1st-amendment, anti-science zealots!
Now, y'all get back to your anti tax fun time! 
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How many will be writing checks to the IRS ... this year
Things are changing in that area ... for the individual taxpayer
Big Time
someone has to pay ...
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Perry,
Don't expect the facts to influence the opinions of some folks here.
DK, for instance, has refused to respond to my question regarding which benefits he enjoys as a taxpayer, and which ones he is willing to give up
with his utopian vision of government....
As for this archaic over-used statement about "the constitution" seems to be a fall-back point at times.....I have wondered if a policy that was
developed by a bunch of masonic business men a few hundred years ago might be due for some upgrades...
as even mother nature adapts over time to attempt to find a balance.
Don't believe everything you think....
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Seems as how we have changed the Constitution 27 times already!
There is a way to do it.
Things I don't need from the government?
I sure don't need Obamacare
There is nothing in the Constitution that says the Feds are allowed into the health care field but that's another debate.
A better question might be- Where is there any "right" to health care for anyone?
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged | Perry,
Don't expect the facts to influence the opinions of some folks here.
DK, for instance, has refused to respond to my question regarding which benefits he enjoys as a taxpayer, and which ones he is willing to give up
with his utopian vision of government....
As for this archaic over-used statement about "the constitution" seems to be a fall-back point at times.....I have wondered if a policy that was
developed by a bunch of masonic business men a few hundred years ago might be due for some upgrades...
as even mother nature adapts over time to attempt to find a balance.
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Good one
It gets real hard ... real fast, trying to get that "balance"
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged | Perry,
Don't expect the facts to influence the opinions of some folks here.
DK, for instance, has refused to respond to my question regarding which benefits he enjoys as a taxpayer, and which ones he is willing to give up
with his utopian vision of government....
As for this archaic over-used statement about "the constitution" seems to be a fall-back point at times.....I have wondered if a policy that was
developed by a bunch of masonic business men a few hundred years ago might be due for some upgrades...
as even mother nature adapts over time to attempt to find a balance.
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DK also did not answer what era of the United States best represents his glory years of capitalism. Please...someone...anyone, give me those years.
As to the (original) constitution not mentioning health insurance, it also didn't address the question of whether or not women and blacks are human
beings that are so endowed with freedom by their creator such as rich, powerful, slave owning white men.
All of which is a red herring. It is an amazing document and far ahead of its time...but to just blindly ride your right wing horse and say over and
over CONSTITUTION CONSTITUTION is a sham.
It also never mentions god yet over and over and over again, it is used as a textbook for what "He" wants for us...
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy | Seems as how we have changed the Constitution 27 times already!
There is a way to do it.
Things I don't need from the government?
I sure don't need Obamacare
There is nothing in the Constitution that says the Feds are allowed into the health care field but that's another debate.
A better question might be- Where is there any "right" to health care for anyone? |
Cliffy,
- 27 times is a good start;
- Maybe you don't need "Obamacare", but others might....;
- The guys that crafted the constitution probably never thought about that a few hundred years ago....folks back then got sick and died if bleeding
and praying didn't work;
Where is there any right to health care? Here are some articles you may get some answers from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Health_Insurance_Card
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/a-constitutional-right-to-health-247449
http://www.globalissues.org/article/774/health-care-around-the-world
Or, you could just tell them it's their tough luck:
Don't believe everything you think....
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I have a question. If a person moves to California do they automatically become members of The Haters Club? I think if I did move there (I can't,
restraining order) it would take some time for me to get used to hating Republicans, Conservatives, Capitalists and anyone who wasn't born and raised
in California. Or anyone (especially) like DK whose one and only curse is that he is not afraid to be open and honest about his feelings about a whole
lot of subjects. Boy, if the 7,900 forum members who live in California, were born in California ever knew what I was thinking, I suppose I'd have to
move to Tierra Del Fuego, go as far south as possible to get off their radars.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Osprey |
DK whose one and only curse is that he is not afraid to be open and honest about his feelings about a whole lot of subjects. |
Feelings for the win !
screw science !! 
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When DK talks this is how I listen
So understand dont waste your time always searching for those wasted years
face up and make your stand and realize that your living in the golden years
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