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BajaGringo
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I fear this thread is kicking the bucket...
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Hook
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Naw, it's like a Timex watch.
How close are we, Dennis?
[Edited on 3-22-2009 by Hook]
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robrt8
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Alright, which one of you said the peso was going to 16.5??
Own up!
Shouldn't there be a law that says speculators will be pozolero'd?
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Hook
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Dave's not here right now...................
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Naw, it's like a Timex watch.
How close are we, Dennis?
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345 is a tie for low end of the top five. GAWD....is this ever getting exciting.
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Sharksbaja
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puff puff pant pant ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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Bajahowodd
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Shame! This is like paying someone to take your algebra test in high school.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Shame! This is like paying someone to take your algebra test in high school. |
With my mathematical skills, it was maoney well spent. Wiosh could have someone ta take my speling test for me. GED is beter than nothin.
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comitan
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robrt8
I did just be patient it will get there.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Packoderm
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Yes, I'd have to agree with the many posters here that fear is packaged and spread about by the media, peddlers and manufacturers that sell items and
substances of comfort and safety, and our past presidential administration. We have been conditioned to react to such taunts in ways that gives up our
money and freedom. I can't see it being pushed effectively forever because people will just get fatigued by the whole thing after a while. It will
likely become fashionable to buy the $25 dollar bottle of wine and turn our noses at the $150 variety. That's not fear, but I don't see how buying the
$125 wine for appearance's sake is showing fear either, so I really don't follow how being spoiled parleys to fear. I'd like to hear you expound on
that a bit if it suits you. Last word: if our economy tanks completely, it might be possible that we'll go into survival mode and emerge from it a
braver people. Good subject to discuss - for sure.
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robrt8
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Okay,
I'll be patient.
But you do know what happens in the long run.
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Bajahowodd
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Pack- Maybe you could spearhead a fear convention. Take it all around the country. Sell ginzu knives and such.
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Packoderm
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But really, to loosely paraphrase, the only thing we have to scared of is being scared itself. I'd rather spearhead an effort to rationally deal with
fear of the unknown. But I guess that is what colleges and universities are for.
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oldlady
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
But really, to loosely paraphrase, the only thing we have to scared of is being scared itself. I'd rather spearhead an effort to rationally deal with
fear of the unknown. But I guess that is what colleges and universities are for. |
Now, that an interesting way to look at it.
I thought colleges and universities were for spawning fears of the unknown.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
But really, to loosely paraphrase, the only thing we have to scared of is being scared itself. I'd rather spearhead an effort to rationally deal with
fear of the unknown. But I guess that is what colleges and universities are for. |
Just in an attempt to keep history accurate, and in this thread on Fear, I am posting here that memorable quote from Franklin D Roosevelt's first
inagural address in 1933 ....
“Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”:
FDR’s First Inaugural Address:
"I am certain that my fellow Americans expect that on my induction into the Presidency I will address them with a candor and a decision which the
present situation of our people impel. This is preeminently the time to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Nor need we shrink from
honestly facing conditions in our country today. This great Nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper. So, first of all, let
me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts
to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and
support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical
days.
In such a spirit on my part and on yours we face our common difficulties. They concern, thank God, only material things. Values have shrunken to
fantastic levels; taxes have risen; our ability to pay has fallen; government of all kinds is faced by serious curtailment of income; the means of
exchange are frozen in the currents of trade; the withered leaves of industrial enterprise lie on every side; farmers find no markets for their
produce; the savings of many years in thousands of families are gone.
More important, a host of unemployed citizens face the grim problem of existence, and an equally great number toil with little return. Only a foolish
optimist can deny the dark realities of the moment.
Yet our distress comes from no failure of substance. We are stricken by no plague of locusts. Compared with the perils which our forefathers conquered
because they believed and were not afraid, we have still much to be thankful for. Nature still offers her bounty and human efforts have multiplied it.
Plenty is at our doorstep, but a generous use of it languishes in the very sight of the supply. Primarily this is because the rulers of the exchange
of mankind’s goods have failed, through their own stubbornness and their own incompetence, have admitted their failure, and abdicated. Practices of
the unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds of men.
True they have tried, but their efforts have been cast in the pattern of an outworn tradition. Faced by failure of credit they have proposed only the
lending of more money. Stripped of the lure of profit by which to induce our people to follow their false leadership, they have resorted to
exhortations, pleading tearfully for restored confidence. They know only the rules of a generation of self-seekers. They have no vision, and when
there is no vision the people perish.
The money changers have fled from their high seats in the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple to the ancient truths. The
measure of the restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit.
Happiness lies not in the mere possession of money; it lies in the joy of achievement, in the thrill of creative effort. The joy and moral stimulation
of work no longer must be forgotten in the mad chase of evanescent profits. These dark days will be worth all they cost us if they teach us that our
true destiny is not to be ministered unto but to minister to ourselves and to our fellow men.
Recognition of the falsity of material wealth as the standard of success goes hand in hand with the abandonment of the false belief that public office
and high political position are to be valued only by the standards of pride of place and personal profit; and there must be an end to a conduct in
banking and in business which too often has given to a sacred trust the likeness of callous and selfish wrongdoing. Small wonder that confidence
languishes, for it thrives only on honesty, on honor, on the sacredness of obligations, on faithful protection, on unselfish performance; without them
it cannot live.
Restoration calls, however, not for changes in ethics alone. This Nation asks for action, and action now.
Our greatest primary task is to put people to work. This is no unsolvable problem if we face it wisely and courageously. It can be accomplished in
part by direct recruiting by the Government itself, treating the task as we would treat the emergency of a war, but at the same time, through this
employment, accomplishing greatly needed projects to stimulate and reorganize the use of our natural resources.
Hand in hand with this we must frankly recognize the overbalance of population in our industrial centers and, by engaging on a national scale in a
redistribution, endeavor to provide a better use of the land for those best fitted for the land. The task can be helped by definite efforts to raise
the values of agricultural products and with this the power to purchase the output of our cities. It can be helped by preventing realistically the
tragedy of the growing loss through foreclosure of our small homes and our farms. It can be helped by insistence that the Federal, State, and local
governments act forthwith on the demand that their cost be drastically reduced. It can be helped by the unifying of relief activities which today are
often scattered, uneconomical, and unequal. It can be helped by national planning for and supervision of all forms of transportation and of
communications and other utilities which have a definitely public character. There are many ways in which it can be helped, but it can never be helped
merely by talking about it. We must act and act quickly.
Finally, in our progress toward a resumption of work we require two safeguards against a return of the evils of the old order; there must be a strict
supervision of all banking and credits and investments; there must be an end to speculation with other people’s money, and there must be provision for
an adequate but sound currency.
There are the lines of attack. I shall presently urge upon a new Congress in special session detailed measures for their fulfillment, and I shall seek
the immediate assistance of the several States.
Through this program of action we address ourselves to putting our own national house in order and making income balance outgo. Our international
trade relations, though vastly important, are in point of time and necessity secondary to the establishment of a sound national economy. I favor as a
practical policy the putting of first things first. I shall spare no effort to restore world trade by international economic readjustment, but the
emergency at home cannot wait on that accomplishment.
The basic thought that guides these specific means of national recovery is not narrowly nationalistic. It is the insistence, as a first consideration,
upon the interdependence of the various elements in all parts of the United States—a recognition of the old and permanently important manifestation of
the American spirit of the pioneer. It is the way to recovery. It is the immediate way. It is the strongest assurance that the recovery will endure.
In the field of world policy I would dedicate this Nation to the policy of the good neighbor—the neighbor who resolutely respects himself and, because
he does so, respects the rights of others—the neighbor who respects his obligations and respects the sanctity of his agreements in and with a world of
neighbors.
If I read the temper of our people correctly, we now realize as we have never realized before our interdependence on each other; that we can not
merely take but we must give as well; that if we are to go forward, we must move as a trained and loyal army willing to sacrifice for the good of a
common discipline, because without such discipline no progress is made, no leadership becomes effective. We are, I know, ready and willing to submit
our lives and property to such discipline, because it makes possible a leadership which aims at a larger good. This I propose to offer, pledging that
the larger purposes will bind upon us all as a sacred obligation with a unity of duty hitherto evoked only in time of armed strife.
With this pledge taken, I assume unhesitatingly the leadership of this great army of our people dedicated to a disciplined attack upon our common
problems.
Action in this image and to this end is feasible under the form of government which we have inherited from our ancestors. Our Constitution is so
simple and practical that it is possible always to meet extraordinary needs by changes in emphasis and arrangement without loss of essential form.
That is why our constitutional system has proved itself the most superbly enduring political mechanism the modern world has produced. It has met every
stress of vast expansion of territory, of foreign wars, of bitter internal strife, of world relations.
It is to be hoped that the normal balance of executive and legislative authority may be wholly adequate to meet the unprecedented task before us. But
it may be that an unprecedented demand and need for undelayed action may call for temporary departure from that normal balance of public procedure.
I am prepared under my constitutional duty to recommend the measures that a stricken nation in the midst of a stricken world may require. These
measures, or such other measures as the Congress may build out of its experience and wisdom, I shall seek, within my constitutional authority, to
bring to speedy adoption.
But in the event that the Congress shall fail to take one of these two courses, and in the event that the national emergency is still critical, I
shall not evade the clear course of duty that will then confront me. I shall ask the Congress for the one remaining instrument to meet the
crisis—broad Executive power to wage a war against the emergency, as great as the power that would be given to me if we were in fact invaded by a
foreign foe.
For the trust reposed in me I will return the courage and the devotion that befit the time. I can do no less.
We face the arduous days that lie before us in the warm courage of the national unity; with the clear consciousness of seeking old and precious moral
values; with the clean satisfaction that comes from the stern performance of duty by old and young alike. We aim at the assurance of a rounded and
permanent national life.
We do not distrust the future of essential democracy. The people of the United States have not failed. In their need they have registered a mandate
that they want direct, vigorous action. They have asked for discipline and direction under leadership. They have made me the present instrument of
their wishes. In the spirit of the gift I take it.
In this dedication of a Nation we humbly ask the blessing of God. May He protect each and every one of us. May He guide me in the days to come."
[Edited on 3-24-2009 by CaboRon]
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toneart
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Thank you Ron! This is a good time to revisit those words.
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