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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  | | Quote: Originally posted by Sweetwater | | Quote: Originally posted by motoged | Osprey,
"Haters Club"? I guess there is more than one here....not just those a bit "left" here.....
It is such a childish term....and I know you are smarter than that.
On another note, it occurred to me that directing resentment to the poor is a great way to keep folks from focusing on the military budget and how it
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(Item #1) You'll see me respond very rarely, if you look back through this thread, I posted the USGS map of the past 108 years of depletion of our
ground water reservoirs. The fact that our primary Mediterranean growing region of California has huge depletion of it's water should be a serious
concern. But as always, facts get in the way of the debate.
(Item #2) Simply put, everyone who drives on a public road, goes camping or fishing or any other recreation in the USA is taking advantage of our
government and it's resources.
(Item #3) The primary cause of bankruptcy for individuals in the USA for the past several decades has been Health Care expenses. Any attempt to
effectively deal with that fact has been routinely obstructed until the past 6 years. The solution needs a lot of additional work but has been met
with total obstructionism. : |
Item #1------I saw that USGS map but could not fully understand it, and said so in a follow up question post. Specifically, what do the minus-numbers
mean?
Item #2-----When was the last time you heard anybody complain about "roads" and resources/recreation facilities? THAT is a legitimate function of the
Govt. IMO.
Item #3------INSURANCE, specifically HEALTH INSURANCE, is the answer that most people use to offset health related problems in this Country,
especially the mega-problems. I have tons of it, personally----don't you? A healthy life-style helps also, as well as not doing very risky things.
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the economy in the USA has evolved to a state where the economy depends on a large class of "working poor" to fill jobs, and the middle and upper
class depend on their employers for health insurance. the USA middle class enjoys a comfortable standard of living (i.e. cheap goods and services)
only because a huge class of people are employed at low wages.
most of the working poor cannot afford health care or health insurance. most of the working poor employed by our largest employers, like walmart, are
not given health insurance through their employers.
the reality is that a huge portion of our population in USA requires health insurance paid for by the government. it's basic human decency that our
country should develop a system to provide health care for all it's citizens.
astute people realize that walmart good are cheap because the USA pays for necessities (health care) that walmart does not provide for it's employees.
so you consumers should not complain about taxes to pay for health care of the poor as you are enjoying the flip side of cheap goods and services
from employers that do not provide health care.
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Goat, grammar police here. People are "Who", things are "That". So a better way to express your vacuous spewing would be "Those WHO agree, those WHO
don't".
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I don't care if you agree with me or not, I just want all Nomads to be happy and nice to each other and accept that some of us like freedom and don't
want a nanny state government.
If you believe the sea level is higher then do so because you see it is higher... don't just hand over your earnings to some bureaucrat because he
told you that your taxes will change the climate.
[Edited on 3-11-2015 by David K]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Sweetwater | When man continues to display active ignorance and expects God to cover for his indiscretions and ignorant behaviours, that not only scary, it's
stupid.....
Of course, the USGS must have hatched this 108 year old data just to satisfy Gods ability to hurry up and fix the problems that humans have
created.....
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Barry A.
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Item #1------I saw that USGS map but could not fully understand it, and said so in a follow up question post. Specifically, what do the minus-numbers
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Are you seriously telling me that you don't understand those numbers represent the amount of depletion of those aquifers. Did you maybe miss the piece
that says: Explanation - groundwater depletion in cubic kilometers?
And guess where that water has gone.....HUMANS have pumped it out of the aquifers to supplement their over use of the surface water....plain and
simple and no volcano is magically going to replenish those aquifers, particularly the key ones in our DESERT southwest. Interesting that there are a
couple of aquifers that are blue or blue green which have actually accumulated water over that 108 year period, are those the confusing negative
numbers? Well, they mean that there has not been depletion but accumulation. I'm going to bet that we HUMANS somehow figure a way to tap into those
aquifers to supplement our already severely depleted and ongoing losses.
Sorry for the ON TOPIC post to the original concern about the significant and serious drought that we HUMANS have to deal with....remember, don't
worry, be happy, stay uninformed and live in your own little enclave of ignorance where all is sunshine and honey....
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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I do so enjoy science and our government which pools our collective financial resources to bring us information which private interests would never
pursue unless it was in their best financial interests.
These images are from NASA and the interpretation is the effect on the central California Aquifer of the ongoing drought. Just to be crystal clear,
the images show a sharp depletion of available aquifer water. No magic volcano available to refill them at the current rate that HUMANS continue to
deplete them in conjunction with the muti-year drought.
Just to be clear Barry, the red colors and negative numbers clearly state that they reflect the decrease in amount of water in the aquifer......
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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Barry A.
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Many thanks, Sweetwater-------now I understand. I was not aware that ANY aquafirs were actually increasing in volume---------that is very
interesting.
Other than your nutty comments attached to your post, I really appreciate seeing this map posted. Since my major was Geography and History, with a
concentration in the Southwest USA, I have long been aware of the depletion of our fossil water, and have been concerned with that for 50+ years, but
the graphics of this map reflect it well. Yes, it is a real problem.
Thanks again for the re-posting and explanation. My Family owns property in Borrego Springs as well as Owens Valley (eastern Sierra), and water is an
ever increasing problem and controversy in both places.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Sweetwater | I do so enjoy science and our government which pools our collective financial resources to bring us information which private interests would never
pursue unless it was in their best financial interests.
These images are from NASA and the interpretation is the effect on the central California Aquifer of the ongoing drought. Just to be crystal clear,
the images show a sharp depletion of available aquifer water. No magic volcano available to refill them at the current rate that HUMANS continue to
deplete them in conjunction with the muti-year drought.
Just to be clear Barry, the red colors and negative numbers clearly state that they reflect the decrease in amount of water in the aquifer......
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Thanks, Sweetwater, for looking out for me.
Just as an aside: on the North Sacramento Valley aquifers, these short-term maps can be a little misleading, I believe. One or two good rain-years
can drastically alter the ground water situation as you are probably aware. We live in Redding, CA at the far north end of the Sacto Valley----been
here for 26 years. In normal years, so far in history, we do get a LOT of rain up here, but not for a while, of course----thus the 3 yr maps you
posted reflect serious water depletion. We now are on mandated water-restrictions in Redding.
Barry
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A good way of returning to my original post about water resources, droughts and other events affecting water resources.....and how we might manage
them.
Don't believe everything you think....
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As a side note about the California Central Valley aquifers, as the ancient water is pumped out, many of the sedimentary layer are collapsing
resulting in dropping elevations. I have not seen a study on this effect, but it seems to me that even with abundant surface flows in the future, the
ability of the aquifer to store water will be diminished. That ground level is not going to come back up creating a space for water.
I wonder if it would ever be practical to pump water into the aquifer during times of excess run off, or if that would just open up a new set of
problems?
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged |
A good way of returning to my original post about water resources, droughts and other events affecting water resources.....and how we might manage
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GGreat!! comics Goat, So the way I figure it is humans need to come up with ways to STOP wasting so much of this water.
me personally I see way more of that than I do of conserving it I hope this makes sense to U nomads
So understand dont waste your time always searching for those wasted years
face up and make your stand and realize that your living in the golden years
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Use more DRIP IRRIGATION! Watering sidewalks, driveways, your house, or the air isn't helping your plants grow or your water use to drop!
Upgrade your old lawn sprinklers to MP Rotators on any grass you do want or need to keep.
Upgrade to, or make your controller 'smart' by adding a weather monitor to automatically adjust watering duration based on the weather and all other
factors (soil, slope, plants, sprinkler type, etc.)!
I will give free advice to anyone interested in these measures as my contribution to this situation.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Use more DRIP IRRIGATION! Watering sidewalks, driveways, your house, or the air isn't helping your plants grow or your water use to drop!
Upgrade your old lawn sprinklers to MP Rotators on any grass you do want or need to keep.
Upgrade to, or make your controller 'smart' by adding a weather monitor to automatically adjust watering duration based on the weather and all other
factors (soil, slope, plants, sprinkler type, etc.)!
I will give free advice to anyone interested in these measures as my contribution to this situation. |
Com-on professor DK You gotta have better than that i am talking Vegas casinos and those formal town squares in
California city's and DON"T forget all the pools U kali boys got going on
[Edited on 3-11-2015 by blackwolfmt]
So understand dont waste your time always searching for those wasted years
face up and make your stand and realize that your living in the golden years
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | It is my understanding that the US Constitution as written and amended is considered to be the Model for the rest of the world Democracies, and many
Countries have used it as a basis for writing their own version.
For me, my Family, and all my friends, the "best years" for us living under Capitalism in the USA have been the one's we have lived on a daily basis,
up to lately. Things are looking pretty grim lately, at least for the Country, not for us personally.
It looks to me that the way the Progressives want to pay for all the "programs" they now have, and want to have, is mainly by taxing what they see as
"the rich", the Corporations, and small business-------which is the very essence of Capitalism----in other words eroding away at the very Golden-Goose
that made our standard of living and opportunity-for-all the envy of the World. There has got to be compromise on this well intentioned Progressive
effort, and certainly a better way less we ruin the very system that has made ALL OF US (even the habitually poor) better off than before, and the
beacon for millions to emulate or immigrate too.
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"up to lately"...oh please...Like Obama has dismantled years and years of Republicans (like Bush II and Reagan) running up deficits and debt like meth
addicts at the local corner. There is no "there", there as to what party spends...both sides can be accused of over spending... it is a complete and
total myth that Republicans are the party of fiscal restraint.
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| Quote: Originally posted by redhilltown | | Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | It is my understanding that the US Constitution as written and amended is considered to be the Model for the rest of the world Democracies, and many
Countries have used it as a basis for writing their own version.
For me, my Family, and all my friends, the "best years" for us living under Capitalism in the USA have been the one's we have lived on a daily basis,
up to lately. Things are looking pretty grim lately, at least for the Country, not for us personally.
It looks to me that the way the Progressives want to pay for all the "programs" they now have, and want to have, is mainly by taxing what they see as
"the rich", the Corporations, and small business-------which is the very essence of Capitalism----in other words eroding away at the very Golden-Goose
that made our standard of living and opportunity-for-all the envy of the World. There has got to be compromise on this well intentioned Progressive
effort, and certainly a better way less we ruin the very system that has made ALL OF US (even the habitually poor) better off than before, and the
beacon for millions to emulate or immigrate too.
Barry |
"up to lately"...oh please...Like Obama has dismantled years and years of Republicans (like Bush II and Reagan) running up deficits and debt like meth
addicts at the local corner. There is no "there", there as to what party spends...both sides can be accused of over spending... it is a complete and
total myth that Republicans are the party of fiscal restraint. |
"there is no there, there"-----------never understood what that meant. Here is a definition:
http://everything2.com/title/There+is+no+there+there
Not sure how that relates to my statement, however. 
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and,... 'you can't go home again'
getting old sucks if you are looking in the rearview mirror, so don't look!
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------and another one, "don't try and fix what ain't broke".
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Denial is not just a river in Egypt. 
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | | Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron | | Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | | Quote: Originally posted by motoged | Osprey,
"Haters Club"? I guess there is more than one here....not just those a bit "left" here.....
It is such a childish term....and I know you are smarter than that.
On another note, it occurred to me that directing resentment to the poor is a great way to keep folks from focusing on the military budget and how it
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"-------directing resentment to the poor-----"??? What's THAT statement all about?? I don't "resent" the poor, but I do resent enabling and thereby
encouraging people to stay poor!!!
The Military budget when maintained at adequate levels is what allows the US Govt. to do their Constitutional duty of protecting the Nation and it's
people from their enemies.
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Agree on not enabling the poor to stay where they are.
Military at adequate levels---sure---but as big as it is now? You know when you have this many corporations invested in the military the execs will
find excuses to start wars. Iraq---two trillion dollars and counting. |
That second part sounds a bit like conspiracy, to me--------I don't buy into that statement tho I am sure there is some truth to it in lobby efforts,
not actually "starting wars" tho..
I can't remember the actual figures, but I understand that the Military is at record low levels now--------that is scary, to me.
Barry |
Um, Eisenhower "Beware the military industrial complex".
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