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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
i think the only way to decide this is by a huge egg throwing battle as was done recently in the Ukraine parliment.... did you see it! and i thought
the Japanese went into a congessional rage now and then....
these ruskies know how to argue man!
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Yeah...that was unbelievable. All sorts of bloody noses. They even bring in umbrellas to open and use as shields from flying eggs.
The dead people in our congress don't have that kind of passion...that's for sure. But, then again, they arn't there to fight for issues. Just money
and power.
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Skeet/Loreto
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I am ready for any Mexican-American Citizen to be pulled over if the Officer feels they are Violating the Law.!!
I am ready for any Africa -American the Same.
I am ready for any Asian-American the Same
I am ready for any Indian American the Same
I am ready for any Texas American the Same
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DENNIS
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I am ready for this thread to die.
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another change was they can no longer stop people for reasonable suspicion.
has to be secondary to a legal stop.
Might as well end the thread. the bill has been significantly changed
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
another change was they can no longer stop people for reasonable suspicion.
has to be secondary to a legal stop.
Might as well end the thread. the bill has been significantly changed |
I wonder what "reasonable suspicion" could possibly be? Reasonable suspicion that a person is illegal? That, to me, would definitly be racial
profiling.
"Reasonable Suspicion?" What the F could that mean. I was under the impression that this whole procedure would require probable cause to detain an
individual....like urinating in public or putting up Democratic Party election posters in the neighborhood.
[ OK....that was a joke. No need to pee all over yourselves going for the keyboard. ]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
LATE LAST NIGHT THE ARIZONA LEGISLATURE VOTED TO REPEAL A KEY PROVISION OF THE NEW IMMIGRATION BILL.
The provision that allowed the police to use race, ethnicity or national heritage when deciding when to question a suspect was repealed.
"The original version of the law permits police to consider any of those factors when deciding if there is reasonable suspicion".
another change was they can no longer stop people for reasonable suspicion.
has to be secondary to a legal stop.
Might as well end the thread. the bill has been significantly changed |
And there it is! And there it goes. Thank you very much! 
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rts551
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Yes. So much for all the BS about how good this bill was...the truth came out.
The Yeyhoos will have to go back to off-topic now
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
LATE LAST NIGHT THE ARIZONA LEGISLATURE VOTED TO REPEAL A KEY PROVISION OF THE NEW IMMIGRATION BILL.
The provision that allowed the police to use race, ethnicity or national heritage when deciding when to question a suspect was repealed.
"The original version of the law permits police to consider any of those factors when deciding if there is reasonable suspicion".
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repealing an unconstitutional provision in the bill does not eliminate the racism and xenophobia that led to creation of the bill.
it is nice to see that protests resulted in change, even if barry and DK thought it was an unbearable week of anarchy
now we will watch the democrats lead the country to real, effective immigration reform (unlike the bush effort torpedoed by republicans a few years
ago).
yes we can!
hope!
lux sit!
pax!
ain't democracy grand?!
[Edited on 4-30-2010 by mtgoat666]
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mtgoat666
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oops.
too early to celebrate.
changes are minor, and not yet approved by senate or governor.
battle on!!
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rts551
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We will see. The Bill's sponsor made the changes
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You guys can't really believe this thing is over. Looks to me like just a little water on the fire.
People keep protesting what the government says they want to do and they'll quit telling you.
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DENNIS
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¡Fuera de Aquí!
Mexico's president criticized the new Arizona immigration law for being discriminatory. How tough are Mexican immigration laws?
By Christopher Beam
Posted Thursday, April 29, 2010, at 7:18 PM ET
Rally against the new Arizona immigration lawMexican President Felipe Calderón criticized the new Arizona immigration law on Monday, saying that it
"opens the door to intolerance, hate, and discrimination."* So how tough are Mexican immigration laws?
They're pretty strict, but not often enforced. Until recently, entering Mexico without proper documentation was a felony punishable by up to 10 years
in prison, as codified in the country's General Law of Population. (Undocumented immigrants in the United States are held in detention centers until
they're deported. They don't get a jail sentence unless they've committed other crimes.) In 2008, that penalty was reduced to a fine of up to 5,000
pesos, or about $400. If you're caught with fake documents, the Ministry of the Interior can fine you twice that. In most cases, undocumented
immigrants are "voluntarily repatriated," or asked to leave the country. If they're caught again, they're fined again and frequently deported. In
practice, though, high levels of corruption mean that police will often take bribes from undocumented immigrants—and sometimes even rob them—instead
of sending them home. (The punishments were reduced in 2008 partly because police were using the heavy penalty as leverage for extortion.)
Mexican law determines who's allowed to immigrate "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." That means scientists,
athletes, artists, and other people with special abilities are given preference. So are investors who want to start a business in Mexico. The country
makes it easy for Americans to retire there by waiving tariffs when they move their belongings. (The United States sends more immigrants to Mexico
than any other country does.) It also incentivizes immigration from other Spanish- and Portuguese-speaking countries in Latin America and Europe by
making those foreigners eligible for citizenship after three years instead of the usual five.*
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The US ought to simply adopt Mexico's immigration laws and enforce them.
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I saw that article this morning on the MSN home page. As I read it, after sifting through the social commentary, it seems that someone caught being in
Mexico illegally is fined $400 and asked to voluntarily leave. Combined with the lax enforcement, it would almost seem that Calderon sort of had the
high ground on this.
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MrBillM
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Keep Stirring
The LONGER the Passionate debate goes on, the BETTER.
November is the Prize.
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rts551
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and in Arizona at least they stirred up a hornets nest
By Jan
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
it seems that someone caught being in Mexico illegally is fined $400 and asked to voluntarily leave. |
Yeah...well, I'm in a position to call BS on that one.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
the lax enforcement |
It's always been lax. I just figuered they didn't want to start any tit-for-tat nonsense with the US. God knows it's been lax up there.
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mtgoat666
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Show me the luv between cops and immigrants
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Until recently, entering Mexico without proper documentation was a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison, as codified in the country's General
Law of Population.
In 2008, that penalty was reduced to a fine of up to 5,000 pesos, or about $400.
The punishments were reduced in 2008 partly because police were using the heavy penalty as leverage for extortion.
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You gotta love creativity of mexican cops -- they treat every criminal they meet as an opportunity to extort money!!
How long until the crackers in AZ show such creativity too? 
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Bet you'll be the first to know.
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