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J.P.
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military at a record low
BARRY, todays wars no longer require the Cannon Fodder of Yesterday. Thus lower numbers.
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Sweetwater
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It just doesn't look like the military budget of the USA is eating less of my tax dollars to me....I think this data was generated in California so
maybe it is nutty too....
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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motoged
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"Try to remember that a person is doing the best they can." Dalai Lama
A humbling notion when your expectations are not being met and you think a person isn't "doing their best".....a test to our compassion. 
Don't believe everything you think....
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motoged
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Water shortage solution?
A long haul with a bucket:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/ganymede-jupiter-s-largest-moon-has-ocean-lurking-below-nasa-1.2992435
Don't believe everything you think....
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redhilltown
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Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  | | Quote: Originally posted by redhilltown | | Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | It is my understanding that the US Constitution as written and amended is considered to be the Model for the rest of the world Democracies, and many
Countries have used it as a basis for writing their own version.
For me, my Family, and all my friends, the "best years" for us living under Capitalism in the USA have been the one's we have lived on a daily basis,
up to lately. Things are looking pretty grim lately, at least for the Country, not for us personally.
It looks to me that the way the Progressives want to pay for all the "programs" they now have, and want to have, is mainly by taxing what they see as
"the rich", the Corporations, and small business-------which is the very essence of Capitalism----in other words eroding away at the very Golden-Goose
that made our standard of living and opportunity-for-all the envy of the World. There has got to be compromise on this well intentioned Progressive
effort, and certainly a better way less we ruin the very system that has made ALL OF US (even the habitually poor) better off than before, and the
beacon for millions to emulate or immigrate too.
Barry |
"up to lately"...oh please...Like Obama has dismantled years and years of Republicans (like Bush II and Reagan) running up deficits and debt like meth
addicts at the local corner. There is no "there", there as to what party spends...both sides can be accused of over spending... it is a complete and
total myth that Republicans are the party of fiscal restraint. |
"there is no there, there"-----------never understood what that meant. Here is a definition:
http://everything2.com/title/There+is+no+there+there
Not sure how that relates to my statement, however. 
Barry |
I think you know what I meant as to "up to lately"...and I am perfectly aware of the origins of the quote. Do you mean 2008? Do you mean 2000 when
Bush II took office and spent money left and right like it was candy? And enlarged the federal government by standards rarely seen in our history?
And blew up the debt and deficits? So what "lately" do you mean?
When I ask the question to many of my good friends on the right (and I mean that sincerely!...hell, my parents are both WWII veterans and politically
we agree on very little), as to the best years of capitalism the answer is almost ALWAYS the 1950's. But then you drill down a bit and that was the
era when taxes were high on the rich, unions were thriving, there was a vibrant middle class, anyone could go to college, and the government under
socialist Eisenhower built roads and infrastructure. Oh yeah, and as mentioned Mr. Socialist Eisenhower warned us against the idiotic over spending
on the military.
Capitalism always has and always will be a mixture of forces and philosophies... to just cling to it blindly makes no sense. Which brings us back to
the point of climate change and the argument that any controls on emissions will kill capitalism. Draconian bills such as the clean water act (by
another republican socialist) didn't seem to get in the way of progress over the last 45+ years.
I just need to know what "up to lately" are you referring to?
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wessongroup
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Spot on ...
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Barry A.
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Redhilltown--------my reference to "up to lately" referred to the last 6 years. The budget-busting money now being spent by the Fed Govt. is for
things that simply are a mistake and socially destructive (nanny-state) in my opinion, and I have never supported them. Higher taxes in this
Administration means more spending on the same wrong things, most likely, and therefore I am against them. I agree that all (?) of the things that
you mention above are, and were good expenditures, and most Repubs are NOT/were not against them. The debts we are now running up are unsustainable
(the payments will kill us) and worse are being incurred to pay for things that most Repubs don't support. More regulation just compounds the problem
reducing future GDP, and thus tax income.
We can argue forever on the Bush II overspending, but many of us think that at the time it was understandable and necessary. Hind-sight is always
revealing, but at the time it look valid to many of us.
The Military is being gutted, regardless of claims to the contrary, or reasons why, and that is very worrisome. I come from a multi-generational
Military Family, so obviously am biased.
Fighting (throwing money at) Climate Change is futile for the most part and a waste of money. I NEVER denied it was happening. I am all for
development of alternative energy sources, especially solar.
Barry
[Edited on 3-13-2015 by Barry A.]
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged | "Try to remember that a person is doing the best they can." Dalai Lama
A humbling notion when your expectations are not being met and you think a person isn't "doing their best".....a test to our compassion. |
The Dali Lama obviously never had employees....
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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motoged
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| Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot | | Quote: Originally posted by motoged | "Try to remember that a person is doing the best they can." Dalai Lama
A humbling notion when your expectations are not being met and you think a person isn't "doing their best".....a test to our compassion. |
The Dali Lama obviously never had employees.... |
David,
Well, I trust that he uses a different management model
Don't believe everything you think....
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dtbushpilot
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Probably why he wears a sheet....
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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bajabuddha
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Chu put sheet on me I keel you...... 
[Edited on 3-13-2015 by bajabuddha]
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
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motoged
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Careful, David....you and the Dalai both shave your heads.....maybe you are on to something 
Don't believe everything you think....
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bajabuddha
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I DO NOT shave my head... however, I do take it to the #1 attachment on my Wahl....
And remember, bald is beautiful, at least once a week. 
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
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redhilltown
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | Redhilltown--------my reference to "up to lately" referred to the last 6 years. The budget-busting money now being spent by the Fed Govt. is for
things that simply are a mistake and socially destructive (nanny-state) in my opinion, and I have never supported them. Higher taxes in this
Administration means more spending on the same wrong things, most likely, and therefore I am against them. I agree that all (?) of the things that
you mention above are, and were good expenditures, and most Repubs are NOT/were not against them. The debts we are now running up are unsustainable
(the payments will kill us) and worse are being incurred to pay for things that most Repubs don't support. More regulation just compounds the problem
reducing future GDP, and thus tax income.
We can argue forever on the Bush II overspending, but many of us think that at the time it was understandable and necessary. Hind-sight is always
revealing, but at the time it look valid to many of us.
The Military is being gutted, regardless of claims to the contrary, or reasons why, and that is very worrisome. I come from a multi-generational
Military Family, so obviously am biased.
Fighting (throwing money at) Climate Change is futile for the most part and a waste of money. I NEVER denied it was happening. I am all for
development of alternative energy sources, especially solar.
Barry
[Edited on 3-13-2015 by Barry A.] |
You're a well reasoned guy Barry and I hope to share a plate of hamachi some day in Baja with you...even if I think you are wrong!
The nanny state expenditures that drive you crazy are a small fraction of the budget...unless you are throwing into the mix medicare and social
security. I get tired of the democrats grandstanding on these issues when they damn well know something has to be done. But if you want a government
nanny state, go no further than the military that is given BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars for projects they don't even want...just so politicians
can throw the pork around. But to be fair, these dollars hire people and those people spend money and buy houses and cars... I am a huge believer
in infrastructure job bills...don't give money away, hire them and get something for those dollars!
Now...getting back to that Yellowtail... 
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. |
The Military is being gutted, regardless of claims to the contrary, or reasons why, and that is very worrisome. I come from a multi-generational
Military Family, so obviously am biased.
Barry
[Edited on 3-13-2015 by Barry A.] |
Debunking the claim that the military is being gutted:
http://www.theburningplatform.com/2014/03/29/debunking-the-g...
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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I think you just said that you believe in something without regard to the facts.
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The anti-science party platform of the GOP is dangerous. Labeling scientists as liars because you don't like the facts?????
The GOP must be stopped, they are dragging us down into another dark age, a period where fanatics squash free speech, use religious and economic
reasons to persecute scientists, disparage science, extinguish curiosity,...
The GOP is taking over school boards and replacing science with religious nonsense. The GOP in Florida has banned state employees from mentioning
climate change when discussing climate!
Another dark age is already here!
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Liberal propaganda!! .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h92Ath_2XA
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Got to agree with Goat on the dark ages part. I believe they started about 2008.
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motoged
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Oh, I get it....a racial slur 
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