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Tioloco
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Based on our experience charging our PHEV it would require 36 - 540W solar panels and 2 - 10KW inverters to run a 14KW car charger. That’s about
$15K US in parts. Such a system would allow 400 miles a day of driving (100KW). The return is about $.40/KW compared to $5/gal gas as the average EV
gets 3.5 - 4 miles/KW. Our gas milage w/o electricity is about 50 MPG.
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That is assuming charging during the day so you can drive at night. (Cant charge with solar at night) Is that correct?
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surabi
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No, not even close. My friend in Canada, where electricity is expensive, with the Hyundai Kona, says it costs about $6CAN to charge her vehicle
overnight.
It would cost at least $40 to fill her car with gas to drive the same distance she can on that charge.
The charging costs for EVs is a fraction of what you'd pay for gas.
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
No, not even close. My friend in Canada, where electricity is expensive, with the Hyundai Kona, says it costs about $6CAN to charge her vehicle
overnight.
It would cost at least $40 to fill her car with gas to drive the same distance she can on that charge.
The charging costs for EVs is a fraction of what you'd pay for gas. |
Any knowledge of what it cost to fill up at a Supercharger?
More of an applicable comparison for the active person that travels.
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EV drivers confident they can get their EV fixed in Baja? GN, Ciudad?
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco |
Any knowledge of what it cost to fill up at a Supercharger?
More of an applicable comparison for the active person that travels. |
Costs about a third of gas cost to charge at a public charging station.
An "active person who travels" would only have to charge at a public station once during a day of travel, assuming they are driving approx. 8 hrs a
day, and of course depending on all the factors that enter into EV mileage.
Then they would plug in to a home charger o'night wherever they spent the night.
Another thing no one has mentioned is that EVs are silent. So not only is air pollution reduced with EVs, so is noise pollution.
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Costs really are variable depending on where you charge. In our location, the faster chargers are time based and can put out over 100kw, but our car
only accepts 50kw maximum. This means we pay at twice the rate(or more) a higher acceptance rate vehicle would pay. We estimated it was right around
.60 per kwh last time we needed one. A Tesla or Ford F-150 would be paying .30 per kwh. Our rates at home are about .15 per kwh with all the taxes and
high use surcharges factored in.
At 3.5 miles per kwh our costs vary widely depending on where we charge up. Obviously, home charging is the cheapest and we pay a pretty high penalty
to drive longer distances and charge at the fast DC chargers.
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Ateo
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco | | Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
No, not even close. My friend in Canada, where electricity is expensive, with the Hyundai Kona, says it costs about $6CAN to charge her vehicle
overnight.
It would cost at least $40 to fill her car with gas to drive the same distance she can on that charge.
The charging costs for EVs is a fraction of what you'd pay for gas. |
Any knowledge of what it cost to fill up at a Supercharger?
More of an applicable comparison for the active person that travels. |
Supercharger cost me $11 yesterday. But only added about 30% of my battery capacity. Usually it’s about $20.
If u r on empty it’ll be $25 maybe. It would be $60 or $70 for comparable gas fill.
But of course, if you can charge at home, like Clark says above it’s more like about .15 per kilowatt hour which is basically super cheap. This is
USA pricing I’m talking about.
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ateo | | Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco | | Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
No, not even close. My friend in Canada, where electricity is expensive, with the Hyundai Kona, says it costs about $6CAN to charge her vehicle
overnight.
It would cost at least $40 to fill her car with gas to drive the same distance she can on that charge.
The charging costs for EVs is a fraction of what you'd pay for gas. |
Any knowledge of what it cost to fill up at a Supercharger?
More of an applicable comparison for the active person that travels. |
Supercharger cost me $11 yesterday. But only added about 30% of my battery capacity. Usually it’s about $20.
If u r on empty it’ll be $25 maybe. It would be $60 or $70 for comparable gas fill.
But of course, if you can charge at home, like Clark says above it’s more like about .15 per kilowatt hour which is basically super cheap. This is
USA pricing I’m talking about.
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That comes out to about $36 for a full charge....
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | Costs really are variable depending on where you charge. In our location, the faster chargers are time based and can put out over 100kw, but our car
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I just read that in British Columbia, B.C. Hydro is switching to kwh rather than time-based charging on its public chargers, for exactly that reason-
people were complaining about the unfairness of time-based fees.
https://vancouversun.com/news/bc-hydro-to-switch-to-energy-b...
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Being this is a Baja forum, can we get more feedback on an EV on the peninsula's backcountry, ie. not the border cities, Ensenada, or Los Cabos.
Freedom to go and explore and enjoy seems hugely limited. Plus, stopping for 30 minutes to "fill up" the battery (or 80% full as it were) seems
restrictive to one's traveling.
What if you arrive a charging station and it is in use... So, if there is nobody else in line ahead of you, you are there for up to an hour.
For the Baja Nomad traveler, is there any positive attraction to an EV? How many will need a gasoline-powered generator (as a 'spare can') to travel
the back country?
I see it as great for daily commuting that is under 250 miles or whatever the 80% range is. Otherwise, a hybrid 4x4 makes a lot more sense. I have
driven a Prius, and as a hybrid, it got over 50 mpg and was peppy on the freeway.
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What me worry?
I used to drive my saab in baja, and i was pretty sure there was no saab parts or mechanics in baja.
Life is full of risks, dont let risk scare you!
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You seem to be suggesting that people on vacation in Baja travelling and exploring are in some kind of big rush, and would find it hugely inconvenient
to spend 30 min.-an hour waiting for their vehicle to charge.
Most decisions in life have their pros and cons. And most people who have chosen to drive an EV consider wait time to charge to be no big deal
compared to the advantages of an EV. It's not like you have to just sit there twiddling your thumbs staring out the window while your vehicle is
charging. You can eat lunch, read a book, listen to a podcast, converse with your travel mates, have a nap, take care of paperwork or other business,
etc. etc.
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JDCanuck
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Being this is a Baja forum, can we get more feedback on an EV on the peninsula's backcountry, ie. not the border cities, Ensenada, or Los Cabos.
Freedom to go and explore and enjoy seems hugely limited. Plus, stopping for 30 minutes to "fill up" the battery (or 80% full as it were) seems
restrictive to one's traveling.
What if you arrive a charging station and it is in use... So, if there is nobody else in line ahead of you, you are there for up to an hour.
For the Baja Nomad traveler, is there any positive attraction to an EV? How many will need a gasoline-powered generator (as a 'spare can') to travel
the back country?
I see it as great for daily commuting that is under 250 miles or whatever the 80% range is. Otherwise, a hybrid 4x4 makes a lot more sense. I have
driven a Prius, and as a hybrid, it got over 50 mpg and was peppy on the freeway. |
This is the big question. I would hate to see someone commit to a BEV in lower Baja for highway travel given all the limitations at present. Hybrids
on the other hand are likely very usable, especially plug-in hybrids like RFClark has been using for years now and can verify is practical.
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If I was driving to Cabo I would drive my Toyota Tundra, not my EV at this point.
This is old news, but infrastructure for EV’s isn’t as good as NOB yet.
It will be someday.
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What did the early adopters of motor cars do? Did they complain about lack of infrastructure and easy fuel stations, and stick with horse and buggy?
Early EV adopters will chart the way for EV naysayers and worry warts.
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There are a lot of roadside businesses that I usually drive by that would be attractive places to stop for a re-charge.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
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The whole EV charging station thing being relatively new, I would anticipate many business owners soon becoming aware that providing an EV charger
would be a boon for their business. If there are 3 restaurants to choose from on the side of the highway, EV owners are going to choose the one where
they can leave their vehicle charging while they have something to eat.
An area where there are several different type businesses within a few steps of each other could even go in on the costs of putting in a charging
station.
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In Baja the numbers of EVs is so minimal that business owners just ignore chargers as it a waste of money.
The exception would be a hotel with a lot of folks staying there.
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | What did the early adopters of motor cars do? Did they complain about lack of infrastructure and easy fuel stations, and stick with horse and buggy?
Early EV adopters will chart the way for EV naysayers and worry warts.
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EXACTLY!
Busy right now but can answer most questions in detail later.
Briefly:
- the cost per kWh at a Tesla Supercharger will vary depending on the rate of the local provider providing the electricity to that specific site.
Tesla is working around the variable rate issue by installing solar panels over the Superchargers and charging directly from the sun and billing at a
lower rate than local electric monopolies. Supercharging at Night? Sure, the excess power from Supercharger solar power is stored in massive on-site
batteries and used during night or cloudy days.
- It costs me about 25% at a Supercharger compared to what it would cost to drive an ICE car the same distance on gasoline. 95% of the time I charge
on my Level 2 system at night in my garage where my cost per kWh is 10 to 12 cents on my TOU (Time Of Use) rates. This is about 15 to 20% of the cost
per mile than an ICE car. (And we haven't started to talk about the cost and time for all those services (oil changes, etc.) required for ICE
vehicles!!! My BEV is service free...well I do need to add some windshield wiper fluid right now....first time in all the miles I've driven.
- To get to the basic question...BEV infrastructure is NOT available in Baja California for those who use their vehicle PRIMARILY for
off-roading! BUT, BUT, BUT it is just around the corner, within 5 years. Some expensive BEV sedans are right now available with 600 miles range!
The new Tesla CyberTruk pickup is available in an expensive version with 375 mile range, annnnnd it has adjustable height suspension from the 5 pas.
interior with a 4 foot wide, clear, pickup bed to hold sheets of plywood, and a camper accessory for the bed is available. Ford and Chev and Rivian
are putting a lot of money into their BEV pickup lines. Toyota, Honda, and Nissan are sitting on the sidelines right now as they slowly work their
way to bankruptcy by not recognizing the significance of climate change (but I'm getting off topic)
More later, specifically about BEV's in Baja.
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Terrasal hotel in GN has chargers
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