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well seems to me that these animals are here because they like it there not fenced in. it works for them the preditors are here because there game is
here all must prefer it to the vast desert?? or why would they be there?? im sure some do gooder can come up with a reasone but the animals just
wont listen ?perhaps we will have to make a reserve out of it??
maybe fence them off of there playground?? for there
own good?? maybe build a zoo??
Everywhere one steps was someones elses favotite place in times past so who has the most right?? the person that owns it now good thing dead people
dont b-tch
let it bee, let it bee ee, let it bee ee ee. let it be
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jerry
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Great idea someone thinking??
i think you should copy wright your idea of making planters out of golf courses the more obsticals the better the course i cant believe i havent
cought some flack for Thinking on this thread. have a good one
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jerry
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thinkin
could that be the wild life that we been por tec ting?? let me ponder
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Well that lady golfer got my attention!
Let me explain one inherent problem that arises with coastal located courses. Over eons Baja or any place for that matter has existed and evolved with
a host of user animals.
Depending on local and in this case I only include the oceanside developments. Local dictates the inhabitant species that dwell in this proximity.
In other words; the native plants and animals that would live naturally here without mans' encroachment.
Ok, you bulldoze the desert and displace the critters while you green up. Next the little critters come seeking your green grass, then comes the
animals to catch the critters.
What do think happens next? Thats' right! People come along and do what? Chase em off what else.
Don't worry though, the animals will disappear completely from the area once all the adjacent lands are gobbled up, not greened up. Not a good
practice in my opinion, but neityer are condos.
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jerry
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all thing equal
well by your senerio sharks then id say that you best tear down your restrant its on a bay and the whole area is paved or covered with building plow
it ut plant back native plants?? maybe the native animals will come back?? like the sealoins and seal laying on the docks
now doesnt that sound silly?? and i still think that mans need must come first im not preachen that we should exterminate anything but if its going
to be equil then tear it all down stop it all and we can then fight over the caves to live in oops cant because non of us are native just gona have
to kill eachother off then the world will be perfect again
inm not meaning to be offensive to anyone but i do have a problem with the attatude "i got mine screw you have a good one
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good lord man...
that's right bro I came here 150 years ago and laid down planks so we could get to our beloved golf courses. the only ones offended are the animals and the people who have learned anything in the last 1oo years about land
use.
Golf courses ARE NOT necessary for animals or humans to survive, are they? The working Bayfront here is.
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Like I said earlier, 2,000 miles of coastline and maye 7 coarses on the water and maybe a total of 18 holes actually on the water in all of Baja, do
the math.... Everytime i play golf, I see plenty of critters running around. Not to mention all the jobs it brings to the area.. You can make the same
argument for people who fish and to all the off-roading being done in Baja. All of these things effect the environment and the natural habitat of Baja
equaly. ..Golfing, fishing, off-roading and building a restaurant on the bay at the end of the day, are all doing the same thing, bringing different
pleasures to different people.. We can all have are own opinion's on what we think is "for the better" of Baja, but let's not be hypocritical..
Go to go, I am on the tee!!!!
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jerry
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guess i could say that a golf coarse is defenatly nessary for a golfer
what need is there for a working bayfront if not for people to exploit the sea?? and even then 90% of whats at the bay front isnt nessary for it to
work and it and your restarnt should be moved to the middel of nowhere no reason on gods green earth to be on a bayfront except thats where the
people like to be just like the setting for a golf coarse ALL THINGS EQUAL
EVERYONE IS EQUAL EXCEPT THAT SOME OF US ARE MORE EQUAL THEN OTHERS B.S. anyone who want to tell others what they can do with thier land can buy it
have a good one
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
guess i could say that a golf coarse is defenatly nessary for a golfer
what need is there for a working bayfront if not for people to exploit the sea?? and even then 90% of whats at the bay front isnt nessary for it to
work and it and your restarnt should be moved to the middel of nowhere no reason on gods green earth to be on a bayfront except thats where the
people like to be just like the setting for a golf coarse ALL THINGS EQUAL
EVERYONE IS EQUAL EXCEPT THAT SOME OF US ARE MORE EQUAL THEN OTHERS B.S. anyone who want to tell others what they can do with thier land can buy it
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Soooooo, you thinks people that fish and come ashore are in the same boat as the golf course developers? Not really a good parallel my friend. You should see how "other" places in the world look with all their golf
courses. Of course the Japanese could tell you it's not always a sound investment. But what they left would surely make you proud. I doubt the
Hawaiian peolple share your sentiments. But hey, who are they?
[Edited on 8-7-2005 by Sharksbaja]
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equal
the bayfront developers are the same as the golf coarse developer no different its all development one no more worthy then the other
man has created a lot of imbalances in this world and it sure isnt going to be cured by the attude that my cause is more nobel then yours or blaming
the other guy .there are no purests just hipocrits .so ;let it bee. let it bee ee. let it bee ee ee. let it bee. if your gona sting someone just
dont let it be me have a good one
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p.s. there are a lot more bayfront development that are failing then golf coarse and if it wasnt for the turstesa scendary use they would allmost all
be bone yards. not that it matters im just saying that everyone passions in life is equal and should be protected. have a good one
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OK, Jerry, Come Clean !
Are these posts an attempt on your part to dethrone the current leaders competing for the Nomad Spelling-Impaired Award ?
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bajablue
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the scary thing is, wrong spelling and all, he is correct........
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jerry
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nada on the spelling im sure ill get it hands down you should here me studder
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Baja
From Jerry;
"what bothers me here is the attude if i dont like it it must be bad
but if i do like it, it must be alright"
This is called having an opinion. And believe it or not, there was this "free" country where people were allowed to have differing ones and discuss
them openly without being attacked by fanatics. That was quite some time ago though.
Mexico fortunately is still like that!
Which is why,
"a tourist in another country is messing up the culture??" You hit the nail on the head on this one. Their culture is disappearing with the rising
costs of everything because of tourism, development, and the foreigners setting up their enclaves.
As far as the golf courses go, they employ a very few Mexican people at low wages, they use far more water than any other development without
producing anything valuable for the benefit of all rather than a select few.
The Baja peninsula is a unique, extremely fragile environment. It surprises me that so many gringos don't seem to understand the concept of
protecting at least a few "special" places on the planet.
Especially from those who for some reason or other are on a Baja related message board. Unless of course they are the P-nche gringo type who
doesn't seem to care much about anything besides their own obnoxious selves when they visit foreign countries.
[Edited on 8/8/2005 by jrbaja]
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bajablue
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here we go again
Now JR, we are sitting here having a nice debate and you have to tweak it up just a notch with the "P-nche gringo and the "obnoxious selves".. You
just can't help yourself, can you?.. Come on bro, it's Sunday......
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As far as Baja is concerned, I havent seen any US gunboats off any of the coasts I have visited. If the Mexican people and government which has had
this land for the last few hundred years didn't want the developments - there wouldn't be any. They have been the "willing sellers" that have allowed
the development and changes to occure.
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I agree with you that region is a very special and unique place, but tourism and development fuel the region. That is totally untrue that golf
developments employ very few Mexican people at low wages..
My whole point on this argument is, there really isn't that many golf courses in Baja and the majority are in Cabo which I know is already over
developed and over ran by what you call "P-nche gringos". I"ll tell you what, go ask any local down in Cabo or any where else in Baja if they want all
the gringos to take there golf developments and tourism and go home.. That will give you the true answer. At the end of the day, "excess" is never
good. But I highly doubt Baja will turn into a 2,000 mile golf course.....
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jrbaja
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P-nche gringos
are obnoxious! Simple. Don't know who it applies to on here but if you truly appreciate the peninsula and it's people, the title wouldn't apply to
you Blue. One less is always good!
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I eat well, drink well and I like to travel, so i will take that as a compliment.. How can I argue with 4000 post.. Buenas noches...
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