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comitan
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Skeet
The article stated she was Bipolar (Manic Depressant) This would account for actions the police didn't know how to handle, as PacO said it comes down
to training.(We Hope) It was also stated in another article she was not taking her medicine this would lead one to believe this was a problem of her
own making.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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jrbaja
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And if there was methamphetamine involved
the Police would have had there hands full ! And generally, there is usually alcohol thrown in for an added "booster" for these young kids.
It is a shame but if illegal drugs and alcohol were involved, blame should not be placed on anyone as far as the death.
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Bruce R Leech
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it is a bummer and I'm sure we will never know what really happened and why.
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Au Contraire, Comitan
Comitan Quote:
"My reply was in reference to MrBillM's post, basically saying she had no control over her actions. Nothing implied as to the actions of the police."
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She alone had control over how the arrest process went. If her mental condition was such that she was unable to control herself, she should not have
been out on the street. Up in the E.U.A. we've been fighting this battle ever since the American Criminal Liberation Union forced the mental
defectives out on the streets.
As far as your remark regarding "young" people and their problems complying with Law Enforcement (excepting me), you're absolutely correct. I think
the first time I was ever in that position I was 16-17 and I put my hands in the air and said "yes sir" and "no sir" so I did learn well and early.
Of course, it's unfortunate that she died, but how many innocent people worldwide died on that same day and how much did you really care ?
Life goes on and there are rules to follow.
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Not all arrests go down "lawfully". To think so is keeping your head in the sand.
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comitan
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Your reply seems to be to my post, but as you reply goes on it becomes all inclusive of the other posts. My last post stated that the fact that she
was not taking her medicine it was a problem of her own making.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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MrBillM
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Lawful Arrests
There is no doubt that there are incidents where the police, especially in Foreign Countries, have made unlawful arrests, but they are the exceptions
reported. I don't include incidents where the police have used what, in retrospect, turns out to be excessive force. The excessive force
circumstances could still have been avoided by the suspect's cooperation. The incidents in which the accused cooperated fully and was still injured
or killed during the arrest are infintestimal.
I once witnessed an arrest outside a bar in Tijuana. We were inside drinking and watching the gals do naughty things with beer bottles when this one
drunken military kid started harassing the bartender about the change made on a drink. A few minutes later, the police came in and pulled the guy off
his bar stool, dragging him outside to the patrol unit. After initially resisting, the drunk started pleading and apologizing, saying he was "sorry".
The arresting cop turned him with his back to the patrol car and proceeded to level some good punches to his midsection, saying "Oh, you're sorry NOW
?" My buddy said "somebody should do something". My reply was "why, he's getting exactly what he's been asking for". I'll bet his night went
downhill from there.
Comitan - Apparently I was typing as you were posting. I apologize for not reading your other post before my reply. We appear to be in less
disagreement than I supposed, although I do have a more callous attitude towards such encounters.
[Edited on 8-28-2005 by MrBillM]
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Bipolar is tough because those that have it think that they don't need it and at times feel that others are out to make them crazy by forcing it on
them. I knew someone that suffered from it and it was hell for him and his family. There found out that the medicine they were giving to many
sufferers was not doing anything except making their swings from one state of mind to another worse. The person I know took those pills for ten years!
Now he's on the right medicine and is doing great! The young woman was mentally sick. Someone should have been looking after her. Then again it's hard
to control someone like that. My heart goes out to the Family.
We all want a peaceful world, filled with love and laughter, but we fill ourselves with anger and hate trying to fiqure out how to achive it.
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Bruce R Leech
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I agree with Hose A that is a little much for an anon.
I think it would be good if they were attached to all anon posts.
[Edited on 8-28-2005 by Bruce R Leech]
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Let me assure you that it did not come from this part of Texas!
We all set here and make statements and opinions about something we have Read, never really knowing the Truth.
there are several Posters who cannot seem to keep themselves from Jumping on anything that gets faintly close to God, Christainy
I often think that they must be "Very Afraid" of their own Lives, there must be somthing missing in their hearts or Minds that cause them to be
frightened..
I still suggest that anyone who does not beleive, go to church, read some books , get some direct Factual knowlege from someone they trust, then make
up their mind instead of being so negative about anothers Religious Beliefs.
Like when I refer to the Liberals as being "Weak-minded", I then need to suppor my words with some facts and figures instead of just Words.
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Bruce R Leech
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Skeet/Loreto right on
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Not in Mexico. God doesn't pay salaries or tip.
The poor woman probably just slipped and hit her head. Repeatedly.
[Edited on 8-29-2005 by BajaNomad]
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Wow
You should see what they do to people that get out of line in the clubs in Rosarito !! How does one end up in that position to begin with? It is a shame but obviously, her time to go.
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Mr. Bill - Your point of view is contrary to POST, and your supportive stance regarding beating people up in dark alleys by those in "authority" is
uncivilized. You obviously are fully entrenched in your "we" vs. "they" position - and you are not one of "us." The next time you're sitting around
oiling your guns, maybe you could give it some thought.
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Getting arrested should not mean a death sentence without the judgement of ones peers. I hope the parents of the young lady don't read whats written
on this site.
who hasn't done anything stupid when they were 20?
[Edited on 8-29-2005 by pokey]
Keep Mexico weird
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Avoiding Beatings
WiltedOne is another typical Liberal. Nothing I said could be construed as supporting wanton beatings in back alleys. He made that up.
In effect, what I did say was that, in 99.99 % of the cases reported, the person being arrested is responsible for how that process goes down. It's
as simple as that. Screw with authority and you're going to pay the price.
Pokey's right. What 20 year old hasn't made mistakes, but you have to expect to pay the price for those mistakes. That's where the Liberals go off
on a tangent into fantasyland. In their world, mistakes have no consequences.
I once tried to avoid a traffic ticket back in 1960-61. I made a rolling stop at an intersection and noticed an LAPD unit about a block back. I
drove around the corner, into an alley and went down until I found an open garage. I pulled into the garage and was about to try and close the garage
door when the police showed up. After determining that I didn't have a clue as to whose garage that was, the lead officer started to write me up and
dispense a lecture at the same time. I managed to come up with a sarcastic remark (something I'm known for) and he hauled off and backhanded me
across the face, saying "you've got a smart mouth". I learned from that and went on my way. I guess today I could have sued for millions. Of
course, there were no impartial witnesses.
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Although none of us know what really happened
if there was a person on crystal meth involved, the police did what they had to do to restrain her. And they probably needed more people to help.
In the clubs in Rosarito, there are certain holidays that the u.s. gangs come down to these clubs. They always have an idiot or two who think they
are tuff and have to prove something.
The bouncers in these clubs are very well organized. And they are all very well trained and intelligent. They are nice people. Until someone tries
to act tuff and looks a little crazed like when they are on meth.
I have always enjoyed watching these punks have both their arms pinned behind their backs and their faces planted into the palm trees at full force(
Ouch!!) while still shouting they are going to kick someones arse or some such nonsense.
Drugs do funny things to people and meth is the worst. This is the only reason I could see anything like this happening.
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Right On, JR
Having been a law enforcement officer, you probably have a better perspective than most of us. I've had a couple of family members in law
enforcement, but no experience myself, except as an arrestee a couple ot times and I was never mistreated (except for the Slap).
Pokey made the statement that an arrest should not be a death sentence. Leaving aside the Mexican element, I doubt that ANY police officer in the
U.S. EVER intends to kill or seriously injure an arrestee. Doing so makes his or her life a miserable mess no matter what the final disposition is.
It just isn't worth it to a career officer. Getting back to Mexico, what few encounters I've had with the law have ALL gone well, other than the
financial aspect, because I've never given them a bad time.
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I wasn't in Law Enforcement
but I have a bunch of friends who are. The strangest thing about this is, there must have been something else going on in her head for a drop like
that to kill her.
It's a shame.
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It doesn't take much of a drop to initiate an intracranial bleed.
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