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comitan
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Skeet
I live in La Paz,anybody that thinks La Paz ia growing slow, are not informed.
La Concha Residential just starting, up the hill behind.
Costa Baja, Marina Mostly complete, hotel, condo's, residences to be built up the hill.
Paradiso Del Mar. Putting in the road now, constr. soon. when complete the whole view from La Paz as never before.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Cincodemayo
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Just look what Fonatur did to Cabo from San Jose to the tip...No rhyme...No reason.
Don\'t get mad...
Get EVEN.
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Eli
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Diver,
Loreto same as all of B.C. - Mexican and Gringo. One of my great hopes is an economic balance by then, would be mighty nice don't you think. Could
happen, it is a fair amount closer now than it was 20 years ago.
Osprey, better than good to see you posting again. Always enjoy your tall tales.
I got to agree on the growth of La Paz. Even though I don't make it to La Paz often; but every time I do, coming from the South the town seems to
start where I thought was out of town the last time I was thru.
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bajalera
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I'll have to agree on the inevitability of "progress," but it seems to be turning up at a different pace in La Paz than Los Cabos. For one thing, LP
seems to attract more Mexican tourists and somehow has a different ambiance--perhaps because there's less emphasis on catering to Gringos.
Some of the changes made in recent years are to me big improvements: there are laundramats, supermarkets have packages of meat that I can identify
[mostly], it doesn't take a day or so to get to Loreto, you can find a cold beer once you leave town even if you're not staying at a pricey resort
hotel.
Progress seems to involve trade offs [and probably always has]. Meanwhile, though, it pleases me that while there's still a lot of talk about that
Paradise slated for El Mogote, there don't seem to be signs of any work being done over there.
Lera
\"Very few things happen at the right time, and the rest never happen at all. The conscientious historian will correct these defects.\" -
Mark Twain
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rpleger
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Spent 2mos in Quepos, Costa Rica; in 1976. I wished that I had bought then.
Returned in 1990 and Costa Rica is way overpriced.
Muleg? is fine for me.
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 2frogs
You can forget Costa Rica...it's already been discovered. We lived there!
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What about Guatamala? I really like those people.
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Bob H
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I'm just glad that we visited Bahia de los Muertos when that beach was so beautiful and 'out there'. I believe it was one of the best places to go to
relax, and rest in peace and quite. Now homes up to 17,000 square feet are being erected along the coast and it's now called The Bay of Dreams (Bahia
de los Suenos). This is what I predict is going to happen to all of Baja in the days and years ahead. But this happens to all things good. We will
see it with our own eyes!
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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Mike Humfreville
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Old Story, but it fits...
La Gringa, 2008
April 14, 2008
Mary Ann - just a short note.
I passed by Bahia de Los Angeles yesterday. I decided to go out to La Gringa and ended up spending a week there. It's has really changed since we
were last here. I remember La Gringa from her simpler days, the days before her contemporary, high rise hotels were built, towering into her backdrop
of blue sea and sky; before they broke up the tan landscapes looking west across the thin peninsula, where no one came. I remember the sand, south of
Roberto's hut - the only permanent structure then - sand for miles; the myriad stingrays that idled and played there in the warm shallows. This was,
of course, well before they built the first of the many piers that now house the hundreds of shops and restaurants that draw so many of us here today.
Now we have a nice collection of tennis courts and lawn bowling instead of the open desert.
The bay was so quiet in those years. We listened to the gulls and pelicans working bait all night long. We were often the only ones here, for miles.
The dolphin and seals patrolled a shore so pristine the sun's reflection was as bright and pure as the sun itself. Now, the bay is so full of docks,
moorings, boats and ships that you can hardly see the water at all.
This morning I disposed of two dead pelicans from the tiny strip of sand that has yet to become populated with some other tourist attraction - the
last open 25 feet of beachline on the entire bay. The Great Grey Herons that once lived in the lagoon, the egrets are gone. A parking lot leveled
and filled that tiny void. The green reeds and delicate water plants that were here have been replaced by curbed and manicured planters housing
fichus that can, ignored by man, survive the heat. The old dirt road that used to lead northward to Las Cuevitas is now an international airport,
bringing the thousands of visitors here weekly from the north and east. It is quite an accomplishment. La Gringa has become the new Cabo.
It's quite realistic, really; it's much closer to the border by car or by plane than the cape. And the money has been rolling in since the
development was begun, just a year or two ago. Property values are through the roof. The place is really thriving. Remember back, in the early
mornings, when the tide was out, we used to sit alone, just here, and inhale the sweet smell of seaweed, drying on the stones? Now in the morning we
are treated to the oily stench of breakfasts, prepared for thousands, and to the rancid dankness of diesel from the hundreds of boats that pull in or
out throughout the day. It's a good thing there's often a strong breeze here; else the fumes would choke a horse.
The La Gringa spit, where we used to walk arm-in-arm collecting small shells is still here of course. They've built a concrete breakwater that is
much tougher than the natural gravel bar that had served for so long. The breakwater, like the piers along the beach, is packed with tourist
businesses. It's rather nice, from either the beach or the breakwater you can look toward the other front and in the evenings see the thousand lights
strung along the waterfront, reflecting off the ocean, when you can catch a glimpse of it. The Mariachi's play in the small streets until midnight.
After that the discos rule, loud throbbing and raw music pulsing off the dance floor, out the open windows and into the night air where previously we
had camped on smooth round stones, just north of the old pier. There was never a sound in those days except a few lapping melodies caused as the
small waves raked the stones. Back then we went to bed early, sweethearts, children, friends. Only a few of us endured the hardships of the myriad
stars and satellites. Now, with all the new activities, I am the one finding an early bedtime. Speaking of which? On the way back to my room on the
tenth floor of the La Gringa Ritz-Carlton I spotted a single pelican, squatting alone, along an unattended place on one of the boardwalks. He wasn't
supposed to be there, the folks here don't like the messes they make. Doesn't he know he not supposed to be there? Doesn't he know his place in the
order of things?
I'll be home soon.
All my love,
Michael
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Eli
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Yeah Mike, it fits, good reading as usual. Love that Pelican, great touch.
I said goodbye to my paradise lost in "81" when Club Med started building out at Catch 22, North of Guaymas. I won't look back, just keep on trucking
down to the next isolated beach, there is always another one over the hortizon.
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ursidae69
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| Quote: | Originally posted by pokey
The only setback to baja development that I can see is the lack of water. Much of baja is ejido controlled but that doesn't matter much because
President Fox has given ejidos the right to obtain clear titles to ejido land inorder to sell it.
Either way, I see baja only going down hill from here on out. There is so much coastal land available and so many North Americans who want a piece
of it that baja will eventually resemble California. With meaningless zoning laws and endless greed the controlling factors; overdevelopment is a
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Great topic. I have to agree with pokey here, the water will be the driving force in most development or lack thereof.
I'm just glad I started exploring Baja in 2002 when a good friend led me on my first trip there. I hope I can see more before it all changes.
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Sharksbaja
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20 years is a long time.
Hope you're wrong Mike, but I'm from So. Cal. so............................................................oh crap!
New idea Talk like it already happened!  
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comitan
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I think the most important thing is to take changes in stride don't cry over spilled milk, just go on accept the changes because its part of life. If
you can't adjust you'll end up being one unhappy idividual.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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bajajudy
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I agree 100% Comitan but it sure is hard somtimes.
I keep telling myself that my property here will be worth a lot of money and I can move on.....well, you know what, I thought that this was my last
move. Ah well the best laid plans.......
Lets see whats left?............
I think that you will have to go real far south to find what Baja was. I have no idea specifically where. Any ideas. Are we all northern
hemisphere people here?
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Skeet/Loreto
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You are right that La Paz is Growing, but I think in a different way than Cabo ot San Jose. It just seems to be more for the Well to do americano than
the Explorers?Beach tyoe. I am real interested in the Units planned on the Hill above the Hotel marina.
Still the Key to Loreto and all locations will be "Water, Water, Water"
From 1068 to 2000 I had the best of Loreto, Sea Of Cortez. I do not regret Leaving LOreto. Now I am in the Texas Panhandle where I can see for miles.
Yesterday a few miles North a 6 Point Bull Elk in a large Pasture, {got lost I guess]. No big Cities, Good clean Air/Water and Great People. Only 15
minutes to Walmart. another Paradise.
Skeet
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capn.sharky
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Wow, Skeet---you have been going to Loreto a long time. From 1068 to 2000--or did you mean 1968? I have seen more growth in the past five years in
Loreto that in the total 30 prior years. However, to answer some of the questions above, the town fathers wish to keep the growth mainly to the south
in the Nopolo area. The long range plans are to turn the downtown area into a tourist area and slowly move the mexican population to the surrounding
areas like Zaragosa, Mira Mar, etc. Being able to control the growth areas is the key to their success. They are still working over the master plan
for Loreto. And, yes, the problem will be water, water, water. Also, manageing the black water is a problem. Loreto is still isolated from the other
big towns and will probably always be a bit more expensive when it comes to goods and supplies needed. Is Baja really any different in growth than
other areas? Seems like there are just more people wherever you go. Hope you and the Mrs. are doing well and enjoying good health.
If there is no fishing in heaven, I am not going
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movinguy
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I said goodbye to my paradise lost in "81" when Club Med started building out at Catch 22, North of Guaymas. I won't look back, just keep on trucking
down to the next isolated beach, there is always another one over the hortizon. |
But - the Club Med is gone and the property is empty (last year, anyway). Maybe all hope is not lost . . . 
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Bajaboy
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I think the water issue will work itself out...either through desalinization or the like...there's just too much money at hand. Look at Southern
California...it's just as dry.
Also, I hear many people complain about how much growth is occuring in Baja while at the same time asking where they can find a Costco or when will a
certain town have a Pemex with realiable gas deliveries. The more comfortable Baja becomes, the greater the chances of urban sprawl...Baja style.
To be honest, I miss the days of praying there will be gas at El Rosario or whether there will be ice at Gonzaga Bay. The more uncertainty involved,
the greater the adventure to be had. The good old days....
Zac
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David K
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Here, here... Zac! To the 'good old days'!!!
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Mike Humfreville
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we all have our own hopes for Baja. I hope the folks that live there win. If I thought for a minute my presence there was not for their best I'd be
gone.
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bajaden
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I can't add much to what has been said. I can only hope that whoever follows in the footsteps of those already here, will care as much and try to help
as much. I think that despite our occasional disagreements, most on this board have the best interests for baja and the people here. I'm not trying to
get sappy on all of you, and I'm sure some would disagree, not wanting to get lumped in the same boat with others. I listen carefully to what all of
you say, and how at times you disagree. You all seem to want the same thing. You sometimes just can't agree on the solution. As Bill Murray said in a
forgetable movie. Tiny steps, tiny steps. Thats all folks.
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