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daveB
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Hook,
Thanks for your considerate reply. And I mean it. That this is a serious subject no one doubts. I carry my passport with pride and take it
internationally even where its not needed, don't mind paying the few dollars for it, and it is given great respect in many places which, strangely,
even extends to me at times. In my opinion it doesn't demand respect, but gets it anyway. Somehow. Its a Canadian thing. Sort of like sewing a red
maple leaf to your packsack, it sets you apart, you're considered part of the human race by a like - minded person who may not even speak your
language.
We live in the best time in the history of mankind, even if its not Wonderland. If we cannot bend a bit on issues of great concern I feel we're
not making the best of the situation. I will now go along with your government's passport initiative. As a Canadian I can protest, indeed have watched
the Parliamentary debates about the subject taking place in Ottawa, but I personally don't have a thing to gain or lose. Your border people will take
in hand my passport as before, look into my eyes and decide either to allow me or deny me.
Apparently, they will now do the same for you as you get your sun baked ass back stateside, but that's okay, you're fine with it, will now expect it,
in fact.
I was only considering the interuption to trade, and the plight of the American border towns near the Canadian border, it'll be tough on them,
most Canadian folks won't drive down anymore for the gas and all the cheese we are reported to be buying if they need to haul out a passport. For
instance, I keep mine in a bank vault when not travelling. But I'll let you extend your helping hand to get them back on their feet again, if you
don't mind, that is.
Your concern is added Security, so go for it! I don't need to be shot or nuked ( there have been multiple childish threats aimed at Canada issued
to that effect on this board) and you don't need to get blown away by a terrorist. So by hereby agreeing, in two years' time your level of paranoia
should have receded, and I applaud that, if it is so.
[Edited on 11-1-2005 by daveB]
[Edited on 11-1-2005 by daveB]
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Debra
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You not only need both Mom and Dad when applying for a passport for the kids, you now need to bring the kids too.
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Bob and Susan
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Kids under 14 need both parents...
14 and over only one
Kids NEED to come too....ALWAYS!!!!
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Hook
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You know, DaveB......
......the biggest problem that border town businesses face occurred when multinationals realized that, even with NAFTRA, it was even cheaper to move
businesses to the Far East, mostly China. The huge increase in businesses that was anticipated after the passage of NAFTRA was blunted by "successes"
in opening businesses in China. Otherwise, it could have been an even larger increase in the maquiladora industries in Mexico......and that could have
put a dent in the illegal immigration problem, too.
When the new passport rules take effect, maybe we can hope that the more tourist-oriented businesses will be visited by a more well-to-do gringo that
has more disposible income to shell out. Might mitigate the losses a little.....
Maybe the border waits will go down, too!
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rpleger
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Hook.............
You are right on!
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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Debra
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The kid being present is new, I don't know when they changed the rule, but, 7 yrs. ago when my son was 5, he didn't need to be there, neither did his
father, only a notirized letter was needed from Dad.
Side note: a bit off the direct topic, but, DaveB's comments reminded me of our Candian friends. In January of 2002 my young son and I took a trip to
Japan to join my husband who was working over there, we had to transit Vancover B.C.. I'll never forget the pride and gratefulness that I felt when I
saw painted on the Canadian Airlines planes lined up at the terminal, the US flag and Canadian flag, underneath the words "United We Stand" I had
tears in my eyes. THANKS CANADA!
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Bob and Susan
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...see this is why Passports are NOT a Security Item...
You can still download a form off the internet...notarize it....and NOT bring DAD!!!
I wonder if I can get my car smogged without the car....
(ANSWER) you CAN this too....
if you go to the RIGHT spot
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Debra
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You have to take Dad for the renewel now, at the court house they just copied his DL and had him sigh the paperwork, we didn't have Brendan with us
that day, so I had to take him back (Dad not needed that trip)
PS: How do you just print the notory from off the internet? You have to sign the paper in front of the "notery" things just make less and less
sence with all the red tape! UGh!
[Edited on 11-1-2005 by Debra]
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wilderone
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This is not a done deal:
"...PROPOSED implementation plan, which is subject to a period of initial public comment, ..."
My bet is that it won't happen.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Debra
The kid being present is new, I don't know when they changed the rule, but, 7 yrs. ago when my son was 5, he didn't need to be there, neither did his
father, only a notirized letter was needed from Dad. |
It is my understanding that this still applies for children under twelve.
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Bob and Susan
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Riom
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Europe, Asia and much of the rest of the world went through hell at one point or another in the 20th Century. Dont they require significant
identification even when members of the E.U. are traveling within the E.U.?
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Europe's been going the other way for some time now, making travel easier not harder. In most of western Europe (except the UK and Ireland) all that
is needed for an EU citizen is a national identity card - which is basically what most Americans have with a Driver's License.
In most of western Europe (again except the UK and Ireland) there are no border checkpoints, you should be carrying id but it's rarely checked.
(you're more likely to get id checked driving from Yuma to Gila Bend than driving from Lisbon to Berlin).
An Australian friend working with me in Holland drove to Paris for the weekend with wife+kids, crossing Belgium each way. It's only when they got
back home they remembered they hadn't taken any passports...
The British do need to carry passports travelling to mainland Europe (because they don't have any national id cards).
Doesn't stop them travelling, having a passport is something most people outside the US take as required. 20% or so of US citizens have passports
(especially the newly naturalized), around 50% of Australians - who have even further to go to get to another country - and over 70% of Brits/Dutch
etc.
On the Baja/US border a UK passport causes a bit of a double-take but doesn't slow me down much. Probably quicker than handing over several assorted
scraps of id.
Having said that, checking passports or having customs on the US/Canada border is daft. What's the point of a free trade area without free movement?
(and, once the southern border of Mexico is secure, it'd make sense to abolish the US/Mex border - this has been done in Europe without vast numbers
of people flooding into other countries).
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Ken Cooke
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I'll be in Western & Eastern Europe this summer. I'll try to pack a couple of David K stickers and hopefully not get arrested for sticking them
& taking a picture! HA!
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Hook
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| Quote: | | What's the point of a free trade area without free movement? |
Many of us have concluded that free trade really never had ANYTHING to do with free movement of people. It's all about greasing the skids of big
business. If anything, I feel I have LESS ability to move goods or personal possessions across the border from either side.
It looks like Central America will be the next to discover meaning of "free trade" as defined by US treaty.
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daveB
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Hook,
You are right about free trade not going hand in hand with freer movement across your borders. Since 1988 when Canada and USA agreed on what
later became NAFTA, border problems have increased year over year. Now this.
But what is now put forth as Free Trade is obviously not how most western folk would describe such an entity. Serious issues are now left to
fester- eventually colliding with what are natural, common goals.
Riom has it right. He is using the EU experience as a yardstick. A better one.
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