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Skeet/Loreto
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Yes Barry! and maybe a little bit of Education; Oh! to get in that Panga and head North or South out of Loreto, to see Large Schools of YellowTail,
Giant Mantas, Fish Pileups,Birds Diving and Eating,Sharks taking a Giant Dorado in Two Bites, a Wall of SkipJack 2 Feet High coming at you, Porpoise
by the Hundreds leading your Panga throught the Water,flipping their Tails and covering you with Water, Whales feeding off of Pt. Lobos!
Diving in the "Bottomless Hole" on the South end of Carmen, taking Giant Clams off of the East side of Carmen, Lobsters running up on the rocks at
Night at Catalana , 80lb amberjack at Del Elfonsa, 180 lb Grouper, hammerhead Sharks.
Oh! Those were the Days
Skeet/Loreto
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Barry A.
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Skeet, you bet-------
--------those were the days that Ray Cannon wrote about, and what got me going to Baja in the first place some 50 years ago. It was heaven, or what I
envisioned as heaven.
Oh boy, here we go again!!!!!! 
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Barry A.
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David-----
-----I have that same Aerial map, and look closely and you will see a "road" down to Timbabichi from Agua Verde.
Just proves that maps are not always accurate, but they sure usually are.
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capn.sharky
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Pam is right. I have seen this happen over and over. Its like the Navajos in Arizona. They used to get (maybe still do) $25,000 when they reached
age 21. Bought a new Chevy Truck, got drunk, wrecked the truck and had it towed next to their hogan. On the other hand, if the Ejido keeps the land,
under Pres. Fox's administration, I understand they will have to pay tax on it now. The Ejido in Loreto is now run by three wemon---so the money will
get to the members of the Ejido. Another problem with money and the Ejidatereos is that they do not trust the Banco.....for good reason. They have
lost money in the past using the Bank.....wasn't Bancomer in the past but a different one, if my memory serves me right.
If there is no fishing in heaven, I am not going
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Barry A.
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To a Navaho (and many other folks)-------
-----their truck is their "steed", and incredibly important to them. I lived and worked with the BlackFeet in Montana for a year (Glacier Natl. Park)
and they told me that they got maybe 5 years max. (usually less) out of their trucks because they put from 25 to 45K miles a year on
them----------they love to drive. It is incredibly important to them, regardless of what others think. Also, they know there is more money coming
from where they got the original money, because of the Casinos.
Life is good on the res, these days, as it should be. 
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jerry
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i been to agua verde a few times ill have to go see this place in jan or feb
jerry and judi
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
-----I have that same Aerial map, and look closely and you will see a "road" down to Timbabichi from Agua Verde.
Just proves that maps are not always accurate, but they sure usually are. |
Specially since it is a pilot's map!
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Dave
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Here's a thought (or two)
Why doesn't the Ejido partner with a top-flight development company? They put up the land, the company develops it and they both share equitably in
the profits.
Failing that, they should at least hire a reputable appraisal firm so as to get top dollar. There are U.S. certified appraisers who have offices in
Mexico.
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Diver
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Maybe no reasonable developers want to chance dealing with an Ejido without holding title to the land themselves before they put in a bunch of money
??
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jerry
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seems the french learned the partnership with mexico at port of escandito was a little lacking?? i surely wouldnt invest in anything with out clear
title in my controll
jerry and judi
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Stickers
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capn.sharky
Pam is right. I have seen this happen over and over. Its like the Navajos in Arizona. They used to get (maybe still do) $25,000 when they reached
age 21. Bought a new Chevy Truck, got drunk, wrecked the truck and had it towed next to their hogan. On the other hand, if the Ejido keeps the land,
under Pres. |
"I've seen more of this state's poor.... Indians go broke buyin' pickup trucks. The poor people of this state are dope fiends for pickup trucks. As
soon's they get ten cents ahead they trade in on a new pickup truck. The families, homesteads, schools, hospitals and happiness of Montana have been
sold down the river to buy pickup trucks!... And there's a sickness here worse than alcohol and dope. It is the pickup truck death! And there's no
cure in sight."
Quote from Rancho Delux (music by Jimmy Buffett)
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
Maybe no reasonable developers want to chance dealing with an Ejido without holding title to the land themselves before they put in a bunch of money
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Heck Diver, if the Ejido can conjure up a title that even looks legit, developers will be lined up at the puerto. My guess is that it will eventually
be opened up but will take a decade. A place JR knew but would not expose. Hmmmm...... I wonder why?
Oh.... could be that some would like to build 78 palapas there squeezed along the beach. Good lord people, think what yer implying.
Being remote and special and for sale should not inspire over-development by "ours truly". Nomads don't do such things do they??
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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Skeet/Loreto
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Stickers:
I think that more than "Pickup Trucks" in Montana it was the legalizing of 'Keno Palors and allowing such Nuts as Ted Turner to buy Property and try
to Shut off all Fishing on "TenMile Creek".
People are People,! Indians, Mexicanos,Texans, Caliafruties, There are People who beleive that living their own Life as they see Fit, is better than
becoming Members of a "Groupie type DOPE" Society.
Talk to some of the "Street People" and they will tell you that they"Like their way of Living, !
I can understand that as I have spent time as a "Hobo" and do recall the Freedom of Hoping a Freight,staying away from the "Bulls".
To each His/Her Own!!
Anon The Preacher
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Barry A.
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Lencho-------
----like Skeeter, I hopped freight trains all the time back when I was a early teenager. It was the best way to go to town from a "summer camp" that
my Mom sent me off to that was in the boonies. It was great!!! Of course, she never knew this
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rob
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So why DON'T ejidos team up with a developer and optimize their land profits?
In my experience, at least in this neighborhood, it's because the ejido leaderships are typically completely inexperienced when it comes to anything
beyond local day-to-day business issues. How could it be otherwise?
These are rural people (not every ejido is similar to the Los Cabos ejidos) and life, until relatively recently, was pretty predictable. They are as
intelligent as any group I have ever met - but multi-national brokered, financed land negotiations are not part of their experience (or most of ours
for that matter).
They, rightly, are totally untrusting of wanna-be Mexican agents, let alone gringo bird dogs. Perhaps Registro Agraria Nacional (RAN - the Dept of
Ejido Affairs, kind of) could set up a department to advise ejido on land dispositions.
It's the only shot most ejiditarios will ever have at a capital sum - most will spend it on short-term consumables - it would be great to see them get
top dollar for their only shot at wealth.
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Packoderm
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I'd sell only 1/2 of the property if I was them and keep the other half to live on.
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jerry
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pack now that makes long term cents
jerry and judi
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tim40
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So does anyone have more than speculation that it is for sale and if so any specifics?
When searching for the end of your rainbow you only have until dusk....
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tim40
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Is it safe to conclude, that the sale is no more than rumor?
When searching for the end of your rainbow you only have until dusk....
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Bob and Susan
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it's from flyfishing pam...of Loreto
"I just noticed a couple of days ago on the back of one of Javier Pineda's vehicles that Tembabiche is for sale. 3,000 hectarias."
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