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John M
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 I am so sorry to hear of your loss.
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pappy
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my heart goes out to you and your family....
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kellychapman
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makes me feel sick with sadness.......one of the main reason we relocated to Baja was due to the horrible things that take place in the US....but then
it seems you can never excape such heart wrenching storines. I will have to check out he tread Amazing to become more clear on the entire story. My
prayers and regards to the poor fajiou.
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thebajarunner
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lo siento, amigo
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David K
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We hope the pain eases with time for you Antonio and your family... You people are the best and should never had to endure this. Hector and Gerardo
were GOOD men who generously helped others... I knew them both. May God protect you all...
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QuePasaBaja
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This will not stop, as long as there is money involved. And as long as a judge or a cop will take a bribe, innocent people that are tyring to do thier
job will die. People on the streets will die, and things will just get worse.
NO ONE in Baja that has any money, or connection to anyone in the local governments is safe so far.
Have a Baja Day
QuePasaBaja
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Ken Cooke
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My condolences in this difficult time.
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Doug/Vamonos
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When will it stop?
It will stop when people stop smoking pot and snorting, smoking or shooting cocaine. Every time you or a friend does it, you contribute to this
killing. Doesn't matter if you are George W. or a fisherman hanging out at the beach in Baja. Every time I go to Baja, I see fellow campers and
fisherman smoking pot. Every one of them I meet are nice people just having some fun and relaxing. Amazingly, most of them are decent, educated people
with good careers at home. Sorry to say this, and I'm sure I'll pee off a lot of people, but every person who buys this crap contributes to these
murders.
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Doug/Vamonos
It will stop when people stop smoking pot and snorting, smoking or shooting cocaine. Every time you or a friend does it, you contribute to this
killing. Doesn't matter if you are George W. or a fisherman hanging out at the beach in Baja. Every time I go to Baja, I see fellow campers and
fisherman smoking pot. Every one of them I meet are nice people just having some fun and relaxing. Amazingly, most of them are decent, educated people
with good careers at home. Sorry to say this, and I'm sure I'll pee off a lot of people, but every person who buys this crap contributes to these
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Your heart is in the right place. Blaming pot smokers though? Easy target, that's all. Next time, ask the pot smokers you see if they
think their home grown (US or Baja) is part of the cartel chain.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Barry A.
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Doug/Vanomos------
-------has it EXACTLY right-----it will not stop until people stop buying it--------period!!!!!! And those that do "buy" are a MAJOR part of the
problem, and facilitate the killings.
That is the plain, hard truth, and no amount of making excuses will mitigate that "truth".
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bajalou
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"Your heart is in the right place. Blaming pot smokers though? Easy target, that's all. Next time, ask the pot smokers you see if they think their
home grown (US or Baja) is part of the cartel chain."
If there was no demand from users in the US why would they be taking it up there? Let's face it, as long as there is high demand in US and it's
illegal, the cartels etc will fill that demand. Just like alcohol and Prohibition in the 20/30's.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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David K
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Just a thought...
You have to ask yourself if people will stop using illegal drugs/pot...
The answer is no, there will always be a demand for pot and cocaine, etc.
Now the issue becomes the law.
Those items can only be obtained or used by violating the law.
As long as there are users, there will be suppliers... Now the suppliers have to be criminals... organized crime.
There is a libertarian answer: legalize the drugs which will take away the organized crime involvement. Sell that stuff the same places that sell the
drug 'alcohol' (liquor stores)... more tax revenue, less crowded jails, cops can go after criminals that hurt people instead of jailing people that
only hurt themselves... Alcohol was illegal for a time... remember how successful that was?
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Barry A.
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Of course you are right, David, but until it is legalized I stand by my statement.
The issues involved in "legalizing" it are (almost ?) unresolvable--------it will take the Legislature to "just do it" before anything positive will
happen. Think they have the "guts" to do that?????????????
Has not happened yet, as far as I know.
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MrBillM
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Drugs and Druggies
Regardless of the economic effects of marketing and distributing illicit drugs, there is the deleterious effect on society from the usage of said
narcotics, including Marijuana.
Having lived a good portion of my younger adulthood down on the Beach, I was constantly in the company of others who smoked Marijuana, used LSD and
Meth. Although Marijuana is the least injurious of the bunch, it still resulted in a significant detachment from reality exhibited by the
participants, including long, rambling discourses which they along with other participants seemed to find truly profound, but was actually a bunch of
nonsensical jibberish and/or the belief that they could accomplish some outstanding act (such as flying) in disregard of the laws of Physics. I
remember one such friend having to be restrained because he Thought he could fly from the Third-Story window of the house.
Drugs are a menace to society for a multitude of reasons.
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bancoduo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Regardless of the economic effects of marketing and distributing illicit drugs, there is the deleterious effect on society from the usage of said
narcotics, including Marijuana.
Having lived a good portion of my younger adulthood down on the Beach, I was constantly in the company of others who smoked Marijuana, used LSD and
Meth. Although Marijuana is the least injurious of the bunch, it still resulted in a significant detachment from reality exhibited by the
participants, including long, rambling discourses which they along with other participants seemed to find truly profound, but was actually a bunch of
nonsensical jibberish and/or the belief that they could accomplish some outstanding act (such as flying) in disregard of the laws of Physics. I
remember one such friend having to be restrained because he Thought he could fly from the Third-Story window of the house.
Drugs are a menace to society for a multitude of reasons. |
Tell the truth. You tried it but you didn't
inhale
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Barry A.
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Mr Bill--------are you including "alcohol and coffee" (and other legal stimulants) in that statement?? If not, why not? And now where do we go with
this???
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Slowmad
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Regardless of the economic effects of marketing and distributing illicit drugs, there is the deleterious effect on society from the usage of said
narcotics, including Marijuana.
and/or the belief that they could accomplish some outstanding act (such as flying) in disregard of the laws of Physics. I remember one such friend
having to be restrained because he Thought he could fly from the Third-Story window of the house.
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Yeah...I think I saw that episode of Dragnet too.
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
-------has it EXACTLY right-----it will not stop until people stop buying it--------period!!!!!! And those that do "buy" are a MAJOR part of the
problem, and facilitate the killings.
That is the plain, hard truth, and no amount of making excuses will mitigate that "truth". |
The plain truth is also that unless those buying pot are buying from a larger dealer (cartel, etc.), then home grown pot users are exempt from this
argument.
Tried it once. Didn't exhale.
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Barry A.
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Soulpatch------
----this "thread" had been silent for 5 weeks-------I believe that it is a stretch to say that it was "hyjacked"-------it is simply using the subject
as a springboard, IMHO.
I was hoping that we would have another NOMAD first, in that somebody would come up with a brilliant idea how to solve the problem-----personally I
saw NO "moralizing"----we were talking about the "law", and those that "broke the law", and the consequences of such---------that is "moralizing"? If
so, we are REALLY in trouble, and will NEVER solve the problem, it seems to me.
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Barry A.
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Soulpatch--------
-----------and on that, I fully agree. 
Barry
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