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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
There is plenty of evidence that global warming is occuring at this point in time; polar caps melting; sea level rising; destructive climate changes,
etc. The water in Sea of Cortez was warmer than anytime since records have been kept. It has attracted hurricanes more often, caused more destruction
(in Mulege) and are still occuring, way later than normal.
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So what caused the earliest snow falls in both New York and Colorado this year??? Global warming????
Plenty of places on the Earth are cooling, including Antarctica. You just don't hear about them much because it does not fit the catastrophic warming
that the fear mongers are currently trying to ram down our throats.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
So what caused the earliest snow falls in both New York and Colorado this year??? Global warming????
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Yes, that is correct
| Quote: | Plenty of places on the Earth are cooling, including Antarctica.
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Please give me a specific reference to this bit of information. And Rush Limbaugh does not count.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
There is plenty of evidence that global warming is occuring at this point in time; polar caps melting; sea level rising; destructive climate changes,
etc. The water in Sea of Cortez was warmer than anytime since records have been kept. It has attracted hurricanes more often, caused more destruction
(in Mulege) and are still occuring, way later than normal.
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So what caused the earliest snow falls in both New York and Colorado this year??? Global warming????
Plenty of places on the Earth are cooling, including Antarctica. You just don't hear about them much because it does not fit the catastrophic warming
that the fear mongers are currently trying to ram down our throats. |
Names and labels....typical. It is doubtful the (political) climate has changed in Orange County, CA since the stone age. Sir! When one only quotes
that portion which suits his personal purpose, he exposes the shortcomings of his greater political agenda. Nice going, John Wayne!
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Sergio is a wimp!. Rush Limbo was right. This is absolute proof that global warming isn't happening. What a revelation! I'm having a religious
experience. Oh oh..... I think I'm still a fear monger. Jeez...I think I'm going to f-f-f-fr-freeze.
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Taco-you're joking I hope--you know that specific events like early snowfalls or heat waves in any particular year don't mean squat to the global
average temperature.
And plant gases--correct me if I'm wrong but even after accounting for the CO2 emitted by plants in their respiratory "dark photosynthesis" phase they
still have a slight net gain in O2 production and absorbtion of CO2. That and the CO2 which is temporarily locked up in the plant's biomass(or
semi-permanently if the biomass is used for building construction or put in an anaerobic landfill).
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
Taco-you're joking I hope--you know that specific events like early snowfalls or heat waves in any particular year don't mean squat to the global
average temperature.
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Yes, I am being a devils advocate, but when someone says "the SOC (or, insert location on the planet here_____) is the warmest it has ever been since
records have been kept" and they WRONGLY believe it is because of global warming...they are showing their ignorance about the whole global warming
theory. And they need some additional counter points to look at. Such as some area receiving the earliest snows on record, the largest snow storm
ever, the coldest day ever seen since 1652….
Global warming is not about an area being 10 degrees warmer (or cooler) in a year. It is fractions of a degree Celsius over decades; same with sea
surface temps...fractions of a degree over decades.
And as with ANY graph showing temperatures, you can make them say anything you want, depending on the start and end dates you choose, and the all
important scale.
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
Plenty of places on the Earth are cooling, including Antarctica.
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Please give me a specific reference to this bit of information. And Rush Limbaugh does not count. |
Here is a temperature graph from New Mexico, looks like COOLING to me  And yes,
I know, graphs can be used to "prove" anything...do you kow that....
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A longer period of temps from the Swiss Alps showing we are still below temps during the Medeival Warm Period (AD800-1300)
Mangini, A., Spotl, C. and Verdes, P. 2005. Reconstruction of temperature in the Central Alps during the past 2000 yr from a O-18 stalagmite
record. Earth and Planetary Science Letters 235: 741-751.
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Antarctica info (just one article in a respected science journal, and not the Limblow Letter). I highlighted the key points and conclusion for you
since the science is quite technical:
Van de Berg, W.J., van den Broeke, M.R., Reijmer, C.H. and van Meijgaard, E. 2006. Reassessment of the Antarctic surface mass balance using
calibrated output of a regional atmospheric climate model. Journal of Geophysical Research 111: 10.1029/2005JD006495.
What was done
Results of model-simulated Antarctic surface mass balance (SMB) - derived from a regional atmospheric climate model (RACMO2/ANT) for the time
period 1980 to 2004 that used ERA-40 fields as lateral forcings - were compared with "all available SMB observations [our italics] from Antarctica
(N=1900)" in a recalibration process that ultimately allowed the authors "to construct a best estimate of contemporary Antarctic
SMB." The many real-world observations employed in this process came from the studies of Vaughan et al. (1999), Van den Broeke et al. (1999),
Frezzotti et al. (2004), Karlof et al. (2000), Kaspari et al. (2004), Magand et al. (2004), Oerter et al. (1999, 2000), Smith et al. (2002) and Turner
et al. (2002). Derived by a number of different measurement techniques - such as stake arrays, bomb horizons and chemical analyses of ice cores - the
various observations covered time periods that ranged from a few years to more than a century.
What was learned
Van de Berg et al. report that "the SMB integrated over the grounded ice sheet (171 ± 3 mm year-1) exceeds previous estimates by as much as
15%." The largest differences between their results and those of others, according to them, are "up to 1 m year-1 higher in the coastal zones
of East and West Antarctica, which are without exception in areas with few observations."
What it means
Because of their blending of climate modeling with the employment of massive amounts of real-world data to constrain the results, the four Dutch
researchers rightly conclude that their "new estimate of Antarctic SMB is as reliable as the reliability that is credited to atmospheric models."
Hence, they further conclude that "support or falsification of this result can only be found in new SMB observations from poorly covered high
accumulation regions in coastal Antarctica," which is indeed reasonable. Until such time as new data might indicate otherwise, therefore, we have no
reason to believe anything different from what they have concluded, i.e., that the mass of Antarctica's
grounded ice sheet has been steadily growing over the past quarter-century.
References
Frezzotti, M., Pourchet, M., Flora, O., Gandolfi, S., Gay, M., Urbini, S., Vincent, C., Becagli, S., Gragnani, R., Proposito, M., Severi, M.,
Traversi, R., Udisti, R. and Fily, M. 2004. New estimations of precipitation and surface sublimation in East Antarctica from snow accumulation
measurements. Climate Dynamics 23: 803-813.
Karlof, L., Winther, J.-G., Isaksson, E., Kohler, J., Pinglot, J. F., Wilhelms, F., Hansson, M., Holmlund, P., Nyman, M., Pettersson, R., Stenberg,
M., Thomassen, M. P. A., van der Veen, C. and van de Wal, R. S. W. 2000. A 1500-year record of accumulation at Amundsenisen western Dronning Maud
Land, Antarctica, derived from electrical and radioactive measurements on a 120-m ice core. Journal of Geophysical Research 105: 12,471-12,483.
Kaspari, S., Mayewski, P.A., Dixon, D.A., Spikes, V.B., Sneed, S.B., Handley, M.J. and Hamilton, G.S. 2004. Climate variability in West Antarctica
derived from annual accumulation rate records from ITASE firn/ice cores. Annals of Glaciology 39: 585-594.
Magand, O., Frezzotti, M., Pourchet, M., Stenni, B., Genoni, L. and Fily, M. 2004. Climate variability along latitudinal and longitudinal transects in
East Antarctica. Annals of Glaciology 39: 351-358.
Oerter, H., Graf, W., Wilhelms, F., Minikin, A. and Miller, H. 1999. Accumulation studies on Amundsenisen, Droning Maud Land, by means of tritium,
dielectric profiling and stable-isotope measurements: First results from the 1995-96 and 1996-97 field seasons. Annals of Glaciology 29: 1-9.
Oerter, H., Wilhelms, F., Jung-Rothenhausler, F., Goktas, F., Miller, H., Graf, W. and Sommer, S. 2000. Accumulation rates in Dronning Maud Land,
Antarctica, as revealed by dielectric-profiling measurements of shallow firn cores. Annals of Glaciology 30: 27-34.
Smith, B.T., van Ommen, T.D. and Morgan, V.I. 2002. Distribution of oxygen isotope ratios and snow accumulation rates in Wilhelm II Land, East
Antarctica. Annals of Glaciology 35: 107-110.
Turner, J., Lachlan-Cope, T.A., Marshall, G.J., Morris, E.M., Mulvaney, R. and Winter, W. 2002. Spatial variability of Antarctic Peninsula net surface
mass balance. Journal of Geophysical Research 107: 10.1029/JD000755.
Van den Broeke, M.R., Winther, J.-G., Isaksson, E., Pinglot, J.F., Karlof, L., Eiken, T. and Conrads, L. 1999. Climate variables along a traverse line
in Dronning Maud Land, East Antarctica. Journal of Glaciology 45: 295-302.
Vaughan, D.G., Bamber, J.L., Giovinetto, M. and Cooper, A.P.R. 1999. Reassessment of net surface mass balance in Antarctica. Journal of Climate 12:
933-946.
Source: co2science.org
[Edited on 11-20-2006 by Taco de Baja]
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Liberals and Other marooons
Given that there is no hope of expecting rational thought from any Liberal which conflicts with the tenets of their animistic "religion", further
attempts in this context are hopeless.
However, we can take comfort in Knowing that Our line of thought Will prevail over their mix of
junk science and cult devotion. Fortunately, economic considerations will guarantee that their skewed view is Never adopted and
they'll be relegated to the Whiners corner for the rest of their lives, sulking and miserable because their "Mother" Earth is being defiled by the
Barbarians of extravagant consumption.
Let's really Tick them off and go out and buy lots more toys, including SUVs and Trucks with Big engines. It gives them apoplexy.
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TROLL ALERT!
MrBillM is trolling as usual.
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Oxxo
No need to let me know when you're in San Felipe or thereabouts. I have no desire to meet you. I run into people like you whenever I'm out and about
in town. Thanks for the warning, though. IF I were to see a vehicle with that bumper sticker, I would assume that the villager is the one behind the
wheel and, no doubt, be correct.
You still have not cleared things up with me. Are you Male or Female ? I wouldn't want to insult the wrong gender. Maybe you would be Oxxa if
female ?
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You can argue about this for weeks, months. I think the real issue is The world as we know it could be at stake. Don't you think the sane thing to
do, would be to do something to cut down on the pollution, no matter what the cost because once the damage is done there's no turning back.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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It's November 20th, it is hot as Hades outside, must be that Global Warming kicking in, right?
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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Hot Air
When I got up this a.m., it was five degrees cooler than the day before. Does this mean we're turning the corner on Global Warming ?
One question I'd like to ask oxxo and the other ******* ******* Nomads is: "What sort of vehicle do you drive to Baja". Since the Global Warming
issue is SO important that we should do Whatever is necessary no matter WHAT the Cost, to be true and consistent in
their values they should be driving Hybrid MiniVans with Solar Panels on the roof and engines that run on recycled Cooking Oil. Be true to your own
selves. Anything to help at Whatever the cost.
Besides, it'll leave more room and supplies at the gas pumps for my 360 cid gas Dodge trucks.
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Dodge trucks, yes that tells us a lot about you.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Power down your computers and monitors and END THIS THREAD.
It will help reduce global warming.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
engines that run on recycled Cooking Oil...
...360 cid gas Dodge trucks. |
Hey, if they were diesel, we could make that cooking oil connection for you
somehow...
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pendejo
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Besides, it'll leave more room and supplies at the gas pumps for my 360 cid gas Dodge trucks.
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haha CLASSIC! don't forget the gun racks bubba. "get 'er done" tehehe
ps 4 cyl Toyota (forget that 'merican garbage)
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It Just Doesn't End !
this thread is sure named right
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Pendejo ?
Well, that's certainly uncivil, if not unexpected. I thought you guys (Kiwis) were extinct. Too bad.
Thanks for using less Gas so I'll have more.
I'm just trying to do my part for the Mexican economy. BOTH of my Dodge Trucks were built in Mexico. No gun racks, though. California is so
pick-picky about carrying guns in the cab, that I quit doing it long ago. It just wasn't the same hanging the contractor's levels on the rack.
Nowadays (en El Norte), it's just usually one of my Colt M1911s or my Browning Hi-Power under the seat.
Boy, has this thread strayed. Sergio's long gone.
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what hapened to Hurricane SERGIO?
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