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The original post to this thread has the sentence
"A new study, published in this month's issue of Applied and Environmental Microbiology by SDSU public health professor Rick Gersberg, shows that
these coastal waters near the U.S.-Mexico border almost always harbor harmful viruses, in addition to the bacteria that are usually measured to detect
health threats."
That is just a plain old LIE. The SDSU professor found that:
"after rainfall, coastal waters near the U.S.-Mexico border almost always harbor harmful viruses, in addition to the bacteria that are usually
measured to detect health threats."
Notice the "after rainfall" which is a whole lot different from "almost always" in San Diego.
He also found that:
"During the dry season of May through early October, six samples were collected at the Imperial Beach location. In all samples, the concentrations of
the viruses were below the limit of detection. (Samples were not taken from the mouth of the Tijuana River during the dry period, because the flow of
the Tijuana River at this time is negligible or even zero.)"
http://www.sdsuniverse.info/story.asp?id=48341
It's LIERS like this WilDCOAST org. that give environmentalists a bad name.
I live in Las Playas de Tijuana and there is runoff from the land into the ocean after rainfall in Tijuana, probably almost as much as there is in San
Diego when it rains. I use to live there on Mission Bay and there are plenty of days after it rains that have the skull and crossbones signs on the
beach.
The city of Tijuana is currently building a rather massive storm drain system in Las Playas now. I sort of hope the pipe runs North into the US and
then East into George Bush's Texas ranch. But that's another story.
AND bancoduo stated:
"If your talking about TJ there's no outlet pipe. It dumps from the land straight into the water."
You make it sound like there's a constant flow of raw sewage onto the beach. Nope, that's not true. It's the rainy season when the runoff swamps the
sewer systems that is the problem. Same as in almost all coastal metro areas. Santa Monica Bay in LA was a cesspool not too long ago. It wasn't until
the Clean Water Act (around 1980) when the Federal Gov provided funds to cities to clean the water, that the US began to solve its pollution problems.
About the TJ sewer system:
There certainly is a problem, but there is certainly much work being done to solve the problem.
"The Mexican plant was completed in October 1991. The plant
consisted of a treatment plant, conveyance channel, pressure
line, and pumping plant. The second plant in San Diego, the South
Bay International Wastewater Treatment Plant (ITP), which will
cost approximately $400 million to build, was supposed to be
finished by 1995 but now the completion date is set for February
1997. (The completion date was changed in June 1995; the
previous completion date was December, 1996.) When it is
finished, it will serve the Tijuana-San Diego area; it will be
able to handle up to 25 million gallons per day. In addition, a
3.5 mile tunnel will be constructed to dispose of the treated
waste in the ocean, which is scheduled for completion in May
1998. (The completion date was changed in June 1995; the
previous completion date was February 1998.) When completed, the
treatment processing facilities will be able to process the 13
million gallons of untreated sewage that enters the Pacific ocean
everyday. However, the treatment plants will not be able to stop
sewage from overflowing into the Tijuana River Estuary when there
is an excessive discharge of sewage or when the river rises (see
Tijuana case).
http://www.american.edu/TED/TIJUANA.HTM
"Tijuana
The Mesa de Otay and Zona Centro portions of the International Border Planning Area are served by a system of collectors that transports sewage by
gravity from the hills and mesas to main collectors in the Tijuana River Valley. From there, the sewage is transported to Pump Station 1, located at
the low spot in Tijuana's collector system, which is adjacent to the International Wastewater Treatment Plant. There is also an interceptor located in
the channelized Tijuana River that diverts renegade sewage to the pump station and collector system. Most of the Zona Centro of the planning area is
served fully by sewage service, but coverage on Mesa de Otay is incomplete, particularly in the growing spontaneous settlements on the eastern portion
of this area.
From Pump Station 1, the sewage is pumped up over a series of hills to the ridge above Playas de Tijuana where it enters an open canal and is
transported some 3.1 miles (5 kilometers) south to the treatment plant at San Antonio de los Buenos. Another pump station lifts sewage from the area
of Playas de Tijuana adjacent to the ocean to the conveyance canal to San Antonio de los Buenos. In the past, the system from Pump Station 1 to the
treatment plant has been plagued by pump failures and breaks in the main conveyance pipe, resulting in diversion of sewage flows to the Tijuana River
channel, to the emergency connector, or down the canyons that drain into the Tijuana River Valley in San Diego. In order to address these problems,
the Parallel Conveyance System project will soon be completed. It was approved by the Border Environment Cooperation Commission and financed by
Mexican government resources as well as loans and grants from the North American Development Bank. This project will upgrade the pumps and provide
redundancy in the conveyance system to facilitate system upkeep without having to divert sewage flows from San Antonio de los Buenos. This project
will also upgrade the treatment plant at San Antonio de los Buenos so that it can operate effectively at approximately 25 million gallons of sewage
per day (1,095 liters per second).
As unsewered areas of Tijuana are hooked up to the system and as services are provided to newly urbanizing areas, the sewage treatment capacity of
Tijuana will have to be expanded beyond that currently provided by the International Wastewater Treatment Plant and the San Antonio de los Buenos
Treatment Plant. A number of alternatives are now under consideration, including building four new sewage treatment/water reclamation plants at
different sites in urban Tijuana.
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~irsc/atlas/text/seweng.html
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Sorry to rant about all the misinformation that is out there but growth and the assocaited problems are inevitable. Growth means people, people means
people chit. It just makes me mad when the chit comes out of their mouths instead of their asses.
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Evidently some folks have a sh-t tolerance higher than others. , north or
south of the MX/USA border. Nobody should have to tolerate being sh-t on. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
------and, unlike the situation in TJ where the "stuff" flows into the ocean, the "New River" flows into the USA and just keeps going north into the
Salton Sea---------been doing this for many, many years. I remember back 20 years ago when I lived in El Centro that it was a "really big deal", and
it WAS going to be taken care of "soon"-------apparently "taking care of it" meens hiding it from Mexican eyes?????
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Barry, would you believe that one of the proposals of The Calexico New River Committee has been to cover the New River and build on top of it----when I was teaching there, I had one of their videos.
I used it in the classroom as an example of if you don't see it, it isn't a problem. 
Also, the cross country coach at school had them training along the banks of the river---only sight hill in town. I tried to convince my students to
where gas masks. 
When the border patrol sees immigrants in the river, they try to convince them to go back---if they have to apprehend them, they take the immigrant's
clothes to a toxic waste dump.
Way back in the early 70s, my husband did his Master's Thesis about the Salton Sea area---or what we now call the Salton Sewer---and even then the New
River held the distinction of being the most polluted river in the U.S.
But not to worry, when we left Calexico a few years ago, they were going to do something about the New River soon. 
Oldhippie
Yea, they are trying to do more with the problems in Tijuana---some of them quite controversial, but we hope they just keep trying. Unfortunately,
the Imperial Valley has never had the political clout to get anyone's "real" attention regarding the New River. Maybe as they grow, that will
change----meanwhile, it is an incredible place.
Diane
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Old hippie takum to much ACID
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
Lots of untreated stuff flows into the Tijuana River and right straight into the US. 'Tis a nasty river, but if you want to see one that is worse,
stop at the New River in Calexico---the one they paved over in Mexicali.
If you don't know where it is, just follow your nose.
Diane |
We should start a "who's got the most polluted river contest." Maybe that guy who likes to swim in
pollution can be the judge.
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"Old hippie takum to much ACID"
Far out man, watch out for the brown acid. I think I heard that announcement at Woodstock right after I dropped some.
Hey, you're the one that's in jail and walks on all fours 8^).
I just get mad when folks make statements that aren't true, especially when its to slam Mexico.
I walked a few miles this AM from the border fence south along the beach. It recently rained here and I counted 3 outfall pipes (6" diameter or so)
that were trickling runoff onto the beach. Sure, it's nasty stuff. But, I'm an optimist and think/hope that all the development will also bring the
money necessary to improve the infrastructure. There is cooperation between the Mexican and US governments on coastal water quality that I think will
lead to progress. They should just raise San Diego/US taxes and build more stuff down here with the money.
The coastline between TJ and Ensenada is booming. It is a dangerous time for the environment. A real crapshoot, so to speak.
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Oldhippie-----
You say" "They should just raise San Diego/US taxes and build more stuff down here with the money."
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING????? Tell me you are kidding?????
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I'm not kidding, I think it's a fine idea. It would even out the worldwide wealth distribution within North America. Perhaps you prefer your tax
dollars going to Baghdad??
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claro
oldhippie!! saying it like it is!!
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My money is sufficating me. Somebody please help me!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
I'm not kidding, I think it's a fine idea. It would even out the worldwide wealth distribution within North America. Perhaps you prefer your tax
dollars going to Baghdad?? |
A trillion dollars for Iraq??? Who cares if they have democracy. That amount of money could get the water so clean we could drink it (literally)
and WE could all enjoy it, including Mr. Comb-over Trump.
I always liked hippies.
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A trillion dollars for Iraq??? No No I read this morning only 400 billion so far!!!!!!!!!!!
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bancoduo
My money is sufficating me. Somebody please help me! |
What ??? 
No volunteers ??
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Who Better?
| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
perhaps the protesters are messing up if trump builds it he also has enoff money to help fix
the problem for everyone
if he dont who will?
be carfull not to bite off the hands that feed you [/quote)
I am thrilled that Trump would even want to put up something in place that is polluted. He is not really the type to enjoy he name associated with
anything but a success story...so bring it on Donald because he has what it takes (not just money) to make a big difference in the enviornment where
he will invest millions in. I am thrilled!!! |
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Bunch of commies
------I am dealing with a bunch of commies
Oh save us rich people, pretty please??? Give us your money.
It is a sin that you mentally and physically worked hard, took on a lot of "risk", and made a lot of money-----------now it is time to give it to the
rest of the folks that put NOTHING at risk, and whine a lot. Yeah, right!!!!! You folks that feel this way amaze me.
I am out of this discussion. 
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Looks to me like the "Towers" will be above the"rocky (pristine) shoreline". Probably won't have beach? access, nice swimming pool and spa.Etc.Why go
in that cold old ocean anyway?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Phil C
Looks to me like the "Towers" will be above the"rocky (pristine) shoreline". Probably won't have beach? access, nice swimming pool and spa.Etc.Why go
in that cold old ocean anyway? |
rumble rumble tumble tumble. weeeeeeeeeeee!
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Not to worry. I'm sure all of these new buildings are being built in strict compliance with all the most up-to-date earthquake safety standards.
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
------I am dealing with a bunch of commies
Oh save us rich people, pretty please??? Give us your money.
It is a sin that you mentally and physically worked hard, took on a lot of "risk", and made a lot of money-----------now it is time to give it to the
rest of the folks that put NOTHING at risk, and whine a lot. Yeah, right!!!!! You folks that feel this way amaze me.
I am out of this discussion. |
Barry my friend, don't you know that most people in this world have nothing to put at risk to begin with, and have no time to whine because they are
working six or seven days a week just to barely survive????
There are worse things a person can be than a commie
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yea don im about as liberal as geroge w him self i been called a few things but liberal sure as hell isnt one of them
all i said was perhaps he could (help fix the problem) and he might??
perhaps it will be in his intrest to??
he is a businessman and not stupid im sure hes aware of the condition the property hes going to build on and what it will take to get it done its not
like it cant happen that a greedy developer work with a city for a win win outcome
jerry and judi
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