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Cypress
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I'm thinking somebody has been watching too much TV. You're gonna have a
shoot-out! Ever leveled a gun on anybody? A twitch of the finger.Give it some thought.
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Minnow
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Comitan, I am guessing you drive a large vehicle.
Cypress, are you saying just give them what they want? Maybe that is your life, or your wifes, or kids?
Remember the couple from BOLA, or the guy south of Mulege. A gun might have helped them.
[Edited on 31-1-2007 by Minnow]
[Edited on 31-1-2007 by Minnow]
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Pescador
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Minnow, I know you love to flame and get people going but here is the information that Wayne was referring to. A guy who lives in San Lucas Cove
decided that it was acceptable to carry a firearm and it ended up costing him somewhere in the neighborhood of $4500 - $5000 US. Then the expense of
going once a week for awhile to La Paz to visit his parole officer, which finally got reduced to once every two weeks. They were at one point going
to confiscate his truck and the fine was much heavier, but things got reduced when he produced a character witness. So you are right, you can choose
to carry a firearm south of the border, but I think that the cost may be heavier than you might want to pay.
there has been a lot of discussion about this topic and I think that one needs to be protected with legal things like flare guns, sling shots
(borrow them from the police in Tijuana), or whatever, but the official position is no guns in Mexico.
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Cypress
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Minnow, Guess I'll just have to cross that bridge when I get there. Good luck on
your journey, hope you never need to drop the hammer on anyone.
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Minnow
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Cypress and all, this is nothing more than food for thought. Thanks to all who U2Ued me also. Plenty of good advice here. The banditos may be in
for more than they think.
Proud husband of a legal immigrant.
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MrBillM
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Pistol Packing on your Person
Packo may have a point.
IF you want to carry a handgun as a last resort defense, there are carry devices that are like an undershirt and made of elastic nylon. You carry the
pistol (sm-med cal semi-auto best) in a pouch under the armpit. They really hug the skin. Since they're designed as a last-resort concealment, you
basically would RIP open the shirt to get to the piece. Considering the circumstance, a ruined shirt is a small consideration.
Interestingly, I just did a Web Search on the "shirt holsters" and each link I found was no longer available. Perhaps these concealment devices have
been discontinued. Oh Well. Given a little work and some sewing abilities, you could probably make a substitute.
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LarryK
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Let me get this straight, for the gun to do you any good it has to on you. So Joe bandit pulls you over, you kill him, (you cannot wound him, because
it will come back to bite you) now you have to hide/bury the body and then you leave the country, and never return. Now lets take a flare gun, when
you shoot that at him with a 12-gauge flare you will also kill him. If you get caught with the flare gun in the front seat you will probably go to
jail and get to do all those fun things to get out.
There is no easy way out with a gun. Use pepper spray etc;
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MrBillM
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On the Way
Actually, if there are no witnesses, after making sure that JOE Bandit is dead, you could simply go on your way, although it would be a GREAT idea to
dispose of the weapon, your clothing, give yourself a good scrub with gasoline and make sure you NEVER tell anyone else. It's probably true, though,
that going back across that border once you made it back to the U.S. would create a lot of anxiety.
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Bruce R Leech
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the one place they never check at the check points is in your personal bag if you are holding it . Edith always has a purse and I Carey a large bank
bag. with all of my papers and cash. never been asked to look at it. for some reason they cant search your person or anything you are carrying.
Bruce R Leech
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DENNIS
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Hey cypress --
Oh yeah, I have had weapons trained on me, fire coming from the muzzle. Not only in Army combat but, here on the streets of Ensenada as well. They
drove up next me at 40 MPH, motioned me to go to the side of the road, I accelerated and they shot out a window, eighteen inches from my head. That
was fun.
minnow ----- I wasn't serious about packin' and firing. But if things happen and you and your's are in trouble..........you have to do what's best,
legal or not.
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DENNIS
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MrBill -----
Im about to research to buy a high caliber derringer. Do you have any suggestions?
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TMW
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I think the easiest way to hide a pistol would be to break it down to individual pieces and put them in your tool box. The problem then is when in
trouble putting it back together in time to use it. Years ago my brother had a pistol hidden under the dash to the side in a pocket area in his 1966
Ford PU. He had a piece of plastic wedged over it in case someone was feeling for it, it would feel like a cross brace. He was probably lucky no one
ever checked.
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Minnow
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What happens if I break it into is component pieces and take it down over several trips? If I get caught with one piece, will that be a problem? The
only thing that wouldn't be completely hidden in with a bunch of tools would be the plastic grip. Those in the know, know what kind of unit I am
talking about.
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bajaguy
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New Idea
One thing that I have not seen discussed in this thread or other similar threads is the use of a pocket type laser pointer to disable an
opponent.........it is lightweight, has range, is relatively inexpensive and is legal to carry.
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RockhouseTom
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| Quote: | | I am thinking more on the lines of self defense. Say someone pulls along side of you and trys and box you in, maybe its 3:30am on the toll road.
They start shooting. It sure would make them think twice if someone shot back. |
Been There! My family was with me and and I was shot. We were able to escape our attackers with some luck. This was the one, and I hope only, time
in my life I really needed one of the many fire arms I own. If I had been armed, as often I am in the US, I would have done more than just escape.
After this incident, with the input of my wife and family I made the decision not to try and carry in Baja. The down side is just too great for us. I
love Baja, and want to enjoy it for many years to come.
We have been to our place in BOLA 4 times after this happened last year and I plan to be there again in a few days. I have up-graded from the Ford
Expedition we had (It had a bullet hole in the driver side door) to a F-250 Super Duty, soon to have a very big Warn winch bumper. A Ford saved my
families life once I won't drive any thing else.
I have changed a few things. I won't drive between TJ and Ensenada in the early a.m. alone, and it would be a big mistake to try and stop me on the
toll road.
So, I do believe that you do have a right and a duty to defend your self and your family when they are threatened, and that no one else will be there
to do it for you in Baja. I under stand the need to be armed and have decided for me, to trust in my Ford and not my Ruger for the time being.
\"FREEDOM\" William Wallace
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jimgrms
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Folks there are wore things than being robbed, a couple of weeks in the slammer with bubba pancho would proably be no fun,,,
the law says no guns in mexico, and that is that,,, if you feel the need to carry a gun on vacation , maybe you s hould find a new
vacation spot,, I think the majority of travelers have found legal ways to protect themelve,
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kellychapman
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Von
Just carry a bunch a m-onethousand firecrakers there legal right? |
omg...with a good case of gas you could
shoot yourself and it would come out where your brains are....or were is you have the guts to carry a weapon.....even if you shoot the bad guys they
are still going to get you...I still say get a big bad mean dog and they will stay away from you....I like the firecraker idea though....just lite the
whole packet and throw.....man they would make them run while the dog is chasing them.....
Seriously.....just be careful of where and when you go someplace, as that is the real protector of your family. Good judgement without the essence of
Tequilla helps alot....
good luck....
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Skeet/Loreto
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From an Ole Timer:
I had a 38 Pistol taken from me when a Sgt. found it in the back of a Closet in a MotorHome. I took the name of the Sgt., who instructed me where to
go in La Paz to obtain a Permit.
At that time if you where an Ex Police Officer from the States you could get the Permit $500 at that time.
I then bought a 38 ChiefsSpecial-Snub Nose put it in a under arm Hostler and carried it for many years in Baja .
The key to carring a Concealed Weapon is to keep it Concealed until that moment you think you need it to "Stop" someone who is trying to Kill You!
Never, never, use a Gun to try to scare someone.. Most of the time I carried the Gun was on Road Trips. Especially on Interstate 5 Freeway through Los
Angeles and TJ.
Stay out of those places that give you a "Stomach Turning Feeling"" be aware of what is going on around you.
I never had the occasion or was involved in any incident while living and traveling in Baja for 40 years.
Today I have some rental properties in Amarillo Texas in a very bad Area. I always take my Weapon. I feel the need here much more than I ever did in
Baja.
Skeet/Loreto
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capitolkat
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I've given this some serious thought as I've been out in the open in desolate spots surf fishing , camping and get the queasy feeling when another car
pulls up and a few non- sunbathers , or non-fishermen get out and stand around. My wife and I are pretty formidable people and don't scare easy (
been shot twice in VN, and have a pretty even disposition) but we are always somewhat concerned when these encounters happen- machete in the cab vs. 3
or 4 others makes for interesting play.
In the military checks they have never taken a look at what I have in my pockets or on my person, my wife's purse is generally small as she carries a
larger tote bag for the other things and they have never looked in her purse.
that said I've been examining the practicality of a small.32 with some powerful loads. The barretta tomcat being an example. It's smaller than my
wallet, doesn't bulge my pants out if I wear loose shorts or slacks and will knock down just about anybody, and in my pants is available if somebody
wants me pull over in a place where I don't want to pull over.--I'm still struggling with the downside risk and my wife votes NNNNNooooo!!! so the
debate goes on.
Life is too short to drink bad wine
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kellychapman
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smart wife......
Never in the last 30 yrs have I been without a gun......until relocating to Mexico. Always kept a 1100 remington shotgun/automatic next to my bed and
a 380 close to my hand if needed.....but I am more afraid of being in possession then being without one in this country....to me it is not worth the
risk of getting caught with one here. As I have stated more then 1 time on many a forum.....don't hang out where you are vulnerable, do not travel at
night, only stop at the Military checks and NEVER get out of your car, even if you have to follow them to the nearest police station.....and always
have a mean dog in your lap just in case they ask you too.....
and of course behave as best as possible as not to get yourself into a situation that might be dangerous....I certainly feel alot safer here then I
used to feel when I had a gun at hand. OH......and never be afraid to pass 1000 pesos if you have too....money does talk. safety is in numbers....so
do not frequent isolated places...just use your head and your chances of a problem lessen.....they sure have alot of "cold cases" where everyone has a
gun.....we do not need them here and certainly do not need to bring them in for goodness sakes. If your that afraid don't drive......fly.
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