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Mike Supino
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Please join the S.T.C.
"S.T.C." = save the c-ckroaches
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DENNIS
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If you want to be saved, go to church.
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djh
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Mood: Mellow fellow, plays a yellow cello...
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So....... WHAT was that little boy-cow doing.....
Falling down in laughter, or trying to start an entirely new species???
Great little video.
Speaking of no Bull..... vegetarian at 16 years old.... Never had a McMeat sandwich... I never liked the thought of killing (or being responsible
for it) anything.... Just born that way.... Not preaching, mind you ~ I believe that everyone should think and consider and then follow their own
conscience.... and live with their own conscience (and karma)....
And yes, I have a sense of humor about myself.... My percussionist buddy says.... "If god hadn't wanted us to eat cows, he wouldn't have made them
outta MEAT".... Even I had a good laugh at that one !
Senseless sufferring and wasted life of any kind.... I'll speak up on that...
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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Sharksbaja
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Certainly an emotional issue
What I am trying to understand is why people fascinate themselves with the sport and why others can get all worked up over such a sport so fixed in
history and feelings.
Deeply rooted in culture, socially accepted and promoted "sports" like bullfighting, soccer even golf bring out deep feelings that tiddlywinks
won't.
When dealing with sport animals and their welfare left in our hands we do face a social conundrum and that may be perceived differently by others.
While most sports force to us deal with our own physical pain, this sport makes us responsible for the animals welfare on a spectator approved level.
Is it because the "kill" does not usher in the "thanksgiving" for putting a bounty on the table and that that is obvious, that gets me?
See, I was taught to kill animals for food not for entertainment. I never pleasured in watching someone kill an animal regardless of what it was or
the way it was killed.
I guess I could say the older I get the more it rouses me. I have done my share of killing animals in my life. I don't brag about it. I ain't no
saint tho but nowadays I try to consciencely limit the damage I inflict on Mother Nature.
Exception: Rattlesnakes.
Thanx Oso for your intelligent peaceful manner of discussion.
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abreojos
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It is good to have these skills if it ever comes down to survival, excluding bull fighting of course, but considering the fact that most species of
game fish are endangered and that there are probably more domesticated animals than wild along with far too many people, a new perspective of these
old cave man habits needs to be considered. Problem is we all gotta eat. I expect, unless there is some kind of major disaster we will hit critical
mass sometime in the next 20-50 years! So what do you do when there are more destroyers than savers? Use those skills, but you just might be eating
your neighbor if everything else has already been eaten! You just might start looking at him or her a little differently next time you see them!
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Osprey
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I knew this was gonna be an interesting thread. So many sides to it. I'm a born killer, can't help it. I feel better about it that so many of you
don't kill things but you don't mind if I do it. This has turned out better than I thought. I don't kill rattlesnakes or tarantulas. I don't know
why. When I see em on a road I stop and take them far from the road so they won't get run over. Maybe hunting is a feminine trait -- I refuse to
wear any kind of makeup when I hunt (or fish).
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Oso
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Cada cabeza un mundo aparte. Me, I try not to kill rattlers unless they have a den near where children play. Where I live, sidewinders are
inevitable because our new subdivision has encroached on their turf. When possible, I capture them and release them in more remote areas. I think of
them as "noble", even though they are not cuddly. What other venomous snake warns you to back off? I also think of fighting bulls as noble and
raised for a noble destiny. But, yeah, that's cultural. When they are young, the males of this breed are seperated according to whether or not they
exhibit traits suitable for the corrida. Those that do are labeled "toro" and sent to one corral. Those that don't are labeled "buey" and sent to
another. With very few exceptions, they all will end up in the butcher shop. But the former will stay "intact" and have a (slim) chance to retire to
stud. The latter are soon castrated and bound for slaughter as soon as they are marketable. I know which I'd prefer in reincarnation if that's my
karma and I will admit that when I go to the plaza, I'm always hoping to see an "indulto".
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | | [ I expect, unless there is some kind of major disaster we will hit critical mass sometime in the next 20-50 years! So what do you do when there are
more destroyers than savers? Use those skills, but you just might be eating your neighbor if everything else has already been eaten! You just might
start looking at him or her a little differently next time you see them! |
Got my eye on a delicious 18 year old girl down the block.  Trouble is that in the 20 to 50 year long wait, she'll be an old hag and I'll be 6
feet under and most likely talking to Satan.
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Iflyfish
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I just broke the tip off my canine tooth, on a bone. I hate it when that happens.
I wonder why my appendix is vestigial. In the old days it used to digest cellulose. Wish I could still ungulate like that!
If you reduce this, far enough you arrive at Jainism. Wait until it drops before you eat, and no tree shaking!
Now how’s that for pithy Osprey!
Iflyfish
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Iflyfish
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Osprey,
I would welcome an invitation for a position on the Board. I have a couple of great ideas about which charitable endeavors to support.
I would also like an exclusive on the feather sales.
Iflyfish
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abreojos
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I like the idea of the 18 year old  and who says you can't practice a little
right now!
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backninedan
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Abreojos, thats not eating, thats tasting......
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abreojos
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Either way I bet it is finger lickin good!
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TMW
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I quit eating tomatoes when I found out they screem when cut. Now I pet them until they rot on the vine.
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Dave
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Cultural?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
I also think of fighting bulls as noble and raised for a noble destiny. But, yeah, that's cultural. |
I thought you was a redneck from Nath Carolina. 
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Oso
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
I also think of fighting bulls as noble and raised for a noble destiny. But, yeah, that's cultural. |
I thought you was a redneck from Nath Carolina. |
Well, I was referring to my adopted culture. The culture I was raised in indulges in all sorts of non-PC, anti-authority, socially unacceptable and
downright illegal activities like dogfighting, c-ckfighting and the manufacture and sale of non-taxpaid substances. I never really cared for the
dogfighting. As for the c-ckfighting, well a chicken's a chicken as far as I care. Is that an example of discriminatory species-ism? Probably.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Osprey
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The Battle Never Ends
Pan American Association of Billfishing Competitions
To: Buzzbee International Hummingbird Tournaments
Attn: Editor/director Osprey
Ref: Your February Newsletter to Membership
Sir, My secretary’s cousin found your newsletter someplace and this very morning it showed up on my desk.
How dare you! How dare you denigrate and sully the works of thousands of dedicated billfish fishermen, tournament entrants, sponsors around the
world.
My staff cautions me to let our attorneys handle this but I cannot let your comments go unchallenged for one minute.
You employ nets, we do not. We abhor the use of nets
We DO NOT (intentionally) kill or harm immature animals
In 1997 alone our member associations paid millions of dollars in lobby efforts to reduce longline/commercial netting of billfish near Nova Scotia.
Our accounting records indicate that in 1992 we paid over $600,000 to Johnny, The Arm, Jackapetto to urge members of the U.S. Senate to cancel three
seine net permits for commercial fishing boats plying the coast near North Carolina.
Every member of our association has pledged the use of circle hooks, agrees to adhere to standard refresh, revive, release procedures. Entrants are
committed to staying with a wounded fish, FOR TEN MINUTES until revival or death can be confirmed. Rumors of proctor/umpire payoffs in past
tournaments are totally unfounded.
We are not familiar with your organization, it’s charter, membership or activities. We can guess that many of your members are what is referred to
as “Birders”, sportsmen of a sort who are fairminded lovers of nature. You, Sir, are a disgrace to the world of sport.
Please find enclosed a copy of our charter, including a list of our Board of Directors. I’m sure you will recognize the names of some of the most
powerful men in the world on that list.
We also submit a list of famous people who, over the last 100 years, made Billfishing what it is today. If Marion M. Morrison, one of our former
Board Members, was alive today I’m sure he would show you the wrath of the righteous.
When I next learn of your egregious use of words which might associate your organization with the names of our member groups, you will hear from
William Kuntsler, Attorney at Law.
F. Farthey Rockafeller, Director
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Cypress
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Imagine the vegan diet is healthier, although the vegans I know have health issues just like anybody else. Think a mixed diet, in moderation, not taken to extremes, is the best ticket. PETA is just another group that probably started out OK, but has been taken over by the extreme fringe.
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Cypress
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Expect that 212+ degree water will do just fine.:spingrin own in Dixieland I used
to purge crawfish in salt water before boiling in order to get the poop out of their GI tract until and old guy commented " You don't think they're
gonna poop(not his word) when they hit that boiling water?".
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Sharksbaja
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save the bull for something else
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