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Bedman
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Hi Bob....
Bob,
It's tough for me to know what you'd be buying . Did they happen to give any details on the construction of the mattresses?
When you cost out a mattress set it helps to know a few details. here are a few things that make it easier.
Spring count
ie: 312, 364, 428, 564, 664, 770, 888, 960? All of these counts are for FULL size.
What are the upholstery layers in the mattress?
ie:
Cotton .... Most matts have some, too much and you'll have body impressions quickly.
Enduralator.... Seperates the springs from the softer, less durable paddings.
Latex.... Very expensive, but adds comfort and durability.
Visco.... Memory foam, a little goes a long way, too much and the bed will be hot. All foams should weigh 5# or more per cubic foot.
Polyurethane.... standard foam, best if it is rated 5# plus.
Qualofill.... Just under the outside cover and promotes good air circulation.
What is the construction of the Box Spring?
ie:
Torsion bar construction?.... Angular spring steel on a hardwood frame.
Helical spring construction?..... Circular spring construction on a hardwood frame.
Metal center rib?.... Adds strength to a standard box spring frame.
Semi Flex construction?..... Adds strength to the top of a Torsion bar or Helical box spring.
Wood foundation?..... Many variations but essentially just a wooden box with upholstery to match the mattress.
A lot of this information won't be on the law label, some of it will. Ask the saleman for this info. I'm not even sure if they have to put on a law
label describing the materials used to construct. You know "THAT" label the Mattress police will arrest you if you remove!
I do belive that you can get a better price in Mexico due to labor costs. And when you factor in the Import tax it just sweetens the deal. All things
being equal, you should get a lower price on the same construction. Very little is regulated in Mexico, Everything is here.
Also the State of Cal has recently increased the Safety/Burn times in all mattresses sold in the state to 30 minutes. To achieve this, the better
factories have implemented Kevlar in the construction. (Cheaper factories use Chemicals, not good) Kevlar is VERY expensive, but doesn't burn worth a
darn. According to Feds. All states will be required to match Calif's. 30 minute burn rate in the next year or two. (Interesting note here, No Burn
requirements on any of the mattress accesories, sheets, matt pads, blankets, comforters, pillows, shams, etc. I don't know ANY one who sleeps on a bed
without some or all of those things. What are they thinking?)
I hope this info helps a little.
Bedman
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Bob and Susan
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da_n...there's ALWAYS something to screw up a "GOOD DEAL"
i guess there isn't really a "free lunch"
Safety/Burn times...didn't EVEN think of that...let's see Mexico....NOT
NOW...i ONLY have 4 months to by and import!!!
Sometimes knowledge is a "ROYAL PAIN"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bedman
After 24 years in the business and 9 Grand store openings (now down sized to just this one) I'm ready to call it a day.
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The second happiest day of my life was when I opened my first furniture store...............the happiest day of my life was when I closed my last one!
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajamigo
So what's a "matrimonio?" |
Hammock built for two.   |
No, that's called a bra. 
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SDRonni
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Bedman: For our Rosarito condo to be completed in October (fingers crossed), we have purchased two queen-sized Sleep Innovations Novaform Elite 12"
Memory Foam mattresses at Costco (they were having a GREAT deal!). DH says we can use these w/o a foundation. We are thinking probably a platform
bed, and having it built in Baja if it would be less expensive than purchasing here and importing to Baja. The mattresses are in boxes w/wheels and
we are thinking we can even take them down in the back seat of our car (at different times, of course). Do you think these mattresses will be hot?
We currently sleep on a latex foam Craftmatic-type bed. Do you have any suggestions or ideas that might help us?
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bajamigo
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Mr. Bedman, here's another retirement idea: open a mattress-consulting web site, charge a modest fee for your excellent advice, grow rich slowly.
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Bedman
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Hi Bob,
I'm not sure if you saw this line in my last post or not......
" I do believe that you can get a better price in Mexico due to labor costs. And when you factor in the Import tax it just sweetens the deal. All
things being equal, you should get a lower price on the same construction. Very little is regulated in Mexico, Everything is here."
And I really don't think you need to worry about "Burning up in mattress" More people die from lightning strike than mattress fires.
Hi SDRonni,
Novafoam Elite is made with Viscoelastic foam. Visco foam is a sealed cell foam and does have high heat retention and perspiration build up. I am told
that the human body perspires 2 gallons of water/perspiration every week of sleeping time. The best way to avoid that heat and perspiration build up
is to make sure the mfr. use a good insulator between you and the foam. The best insulator for this is Hollowfill or Quallofill. Quallofill is a
hollow filament fiber with a cross hatch down the center. Hollowfill is the same stuff but, no cross hatch. Imagine a drinking straw with an X down
the middle and all this in a diameter smaller/finer than a human hair. The hollow fiber has a better memory than solid fibers and returns to it's
original shape more readily. Think Plastic drinking straw, bend it and then see how quick it comes back to it's original shape. Now try that same
experiment with a solid piece of plastic the same dimensions as the drinking straw. The solid one will either break or stay bent. As you lie on a
mattress thousands of hours a year and shift positions thousands of times, the solid stuff dies and the Hollow stuff survives longer, much much
longer. Hollow/Quallowfill insulates well and lets air circulate more readily than cotton or any other fiber so far used in a mattress of any kind.
Bottom line, if it doesn't have any padding between you and the foam, buy a mattress pad with Hollowfill or the newer better Quallofill fiber.
Mr Bajamigo,
Thanks for the advice. Please send all donations to....awww, Heck, just have a beer for me!
And just for the legal types, all of the above information is strictly my personal opinion and I don't know Jack, just ask my wife.
Bedman
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Bob and Susan
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i NEVER thought i would be SO interested in BED information
even susan has this stuff on her computer now
thanks bedman
edit:
i "sweat"
the other team "perspires"
i bet i "sweat" more than 2 gallons in september
[Edited on 3-27-2007 by Bob and Susan]
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SDRonni
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Thank you so much, Bedman! We will definitely buy the mattress cover you recommended. I run hot, hubby runs cold! Most of the year, I sleep with
the ceiling fan on. Awoke one night last week to find hubby sleeping in his ski jacket!!! Ahhhhh, the wonders of growing older!!!
Thanks again!
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CortezBlue
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Wow
Ask a simple question and get a Masters Degree.
Some great info.
Thanks
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Bedman
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Hehehe....... I do get a little wordy, huh?!?!
Bedman
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oladulce
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bedman
Hehehe....... I do get a little wordy, huh?!?!
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Not at all Bedman. This is useful stuff and I for one am taking notes because we'll be in the market for a Baja bed very soon also.
Thank you.
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Pescador
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OK, we looked at mattresses in Baja and found the prices to be pretty good. We find that we are always looking for really firm mattresses as we get
less backaches and wake up with less aches and pains. Every time I tr a pillowtop mattress, I find that it kills my back in weeks. So, I am curious
as to how people like these Mexican mattresses after having used them for awhile.
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RockhouseTom
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bedman
And just for the legal types, all of the above information is strictly my personal opinion and I don't know Jack, just ask my wife.
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Hey Bedman,
My wife as been After me to "Ask Bedman" About Temperpedic beds. I was going to wait till we meet up in Bahia, But it looks like Nomads are not going
to let you retire!
How about a Ask Bedman Forum?
Tom
\"FREEDOM\" William Wallace
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oladulce
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bedman
Retirement is coming fast. After 24 years in the business and 9 Grand store openings (now down sized to just this one) I'm ready to call it a day. My
wife retired 8 months ago and she's really rubbing it in. I anticipate retirement to arrive within the next 4 months!!
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Bedman, if you haven't retired yet where is your shop?
Has anyone had success mattress shopping in Cd. Constitución ?
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Bedman
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bedman
Hehehe....... I do get a little wordy, huh?!?!
Wow, not too wordy at all---printed what your wrote. Since we are considering buying a place in Baja and would like to shop there---this information
is great.
Amazing the different information one can take from this board.
Thanks
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bajamigo
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It stuns me to think that this is one of the most interesting threads I've ever followed on this BB.
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Bedman
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Wow !! I'm surprised that so many are interested.
Pescador,
I can't give you any firsthand experience on the Mexican mattresses but, some pillow tops are just way too over padded. One of the important things I
stress with my salesmen to be aware of is Customer Posture. We all have different body shapes and postures. I always look at them when they're walking
around the showroom. If they have a little hunchback I remember that. If they're Straight as a board I note that too. When they test a mattress I try
to stress the importance of not changing their posture Dramatically. I find it best to duplicate their standing posture as they lay flat on their
backs. IF they sleep on their sides I also suggest they not buy a an overly firm or soft mattress. If a customer is a large person they more than
likely will need a little more support than a lighter one. Pick something in the middle. The smaller the quilt pattern the firmer the top and probably
the overall mattress.
Tom,
Temperpedic is a brand. They use, primarily, Visco elastic foam. Visco foam is also called Memory foam and every major and most smaller factories make
a similar constructed bed. Visco MUST have a good insulating barrier between you and the foam. The reason? Visco is a sealed cell foam and will trap
body perspiration between you and the Visco. Resulting in Hot summer sleeping and Clammy winter sleeping. Think about sleeping on a plastic sheet. One
of the Best insulators in the bedding industry is called Quallofill or Hollowfill. You might have seen this product used in Sleeping bags or Jackets.
There are dozens of different qualities of Visco. The primary means of measuring the quality of all foams is Density or How much does the product
weigh? Good Visco is 5.5 pounds per cubic foot. Poor quality Visco is under 4 pounds and may go as low as 2.5 pounds. The other important measurement
of all foams is ILD or Internal Load Deflection just a fancy bunch of words that indicate How firm the foam is. The higher the ILD the firmer the
foam. The more dense the foam the longer it will last.
Hola Oladuce,
My last store is in the city of Placentia, Calif. Near Fullerton or Anaheim. PM me for more info if needed.
I'm sure some of you have purchased mattresses in Baja and have been very pleased. Feel free to chime in here!!
Bajamigo, kind of surprises me too!!
Bedman
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