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westy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
Score pays to put the race on. In Mexico Score doesn't pay to close areas open to the public.
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They can't close the areas. It's been tried.
A logistical nightmare. It's a big reason why some other promoters have pulled out of Baja, BITD being one of them.
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Personally, I feel I have as much right to use a portion of the course for my own recreation, if I damn please. (Commen sense would dictate me not to
use it on a race day). ..... I will, however put my 2 cents in. Please be extra careful and safe when near the course. Thats all.
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David K
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TW, I appreciate the information. This excursion was proposed many weeks before SCORE publicly picked the course route. To ensure safety, I was
willing (and wanted) to go the SAME direction as the course did, using Parral Canyon for either going to or returning from Matomi Canyon.
Unless SCORE has a new policy, pre-running does NOT mean racing, at race speeds. It is for examining the course, making notes of turns or slow down
areas, etc.
Naturally, the pre runners will likely be in vehicles that can be driven faster than our group of street legal 4X4s, but almost all of Arroyo Matomi
is wide open with most of it a 'passing zone'.
TW, thanks again for your support. You remind me of the kind of people that used to be involved in off road racing, back when I was a Los Campeones
pit captain and a Baja 1000 co-driver... It was a family sport and not just for the privilaged elite. Walker Evans was alway nice to talk to...
regular folks.
When pre running, we never assumed the roads were ours to do what we wished (as this new generation seems to think). Local use traffic had the right
of way. On race day only, did that change.
Our caravan will have a radio man in the back and I will have a radio in front. If or when a pre-runner approaches from the rear, we will happily pull
off at the first place possible in any of the (few) narrow sections of the road we will be on. The majority of the Matomi wash road is wide and
passing us will be no problem for them.
When we arrive at the Valle Chico road, after crossing the Sierra Santa Rosa in Canada el Parral, we will be just 8 miles north of Matomi Canyon.
This 8 miles on the Valle Chico road is the race course. Then it is 5.5 miles up Matomi canyon to the waterfall fed pool and the blue palms (this 5.5
mi. is not race course, a dead end road).
We return back to the Valle Chico road junction, but then we continue down Arroyo Matomi to Hwy. 5 (27 miles, race course).
If the concensous is to cancel seeing the Matomi canyon and oasis, we can turn aroung at Valle Chico and go back to the sulfur mine in Canada el
Parral. No problem for me, I have been to Matomi many times. However, it would be a bummer to those who were looking forward to it.
Whatever we do on Sunday, it will be good, because we are amigos and we are in Baja!
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Me No
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Westy, Its not just race day. Pre running will be open from Sat the 14 to the 28.
Score has paid to use this course. The racers have paid to enter the race. Don't pay with your life by being getting a case of the Dumb Ass just to
prove its your right. 
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Mike Humfreville
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Me No,
Mystery solved. I actually thought you someone else from another board. I don't know who the person you quoted is, don't care, but it would be nice
to have a dialog rather than be told to stay off the road. It doesn't make sense to compete with a race group but you're pal could adjust his (her?)
attitude to discussion and logic rather than demands.
As I proposed, there are many other places the Matomi group could go or other routes to the same destination.
Thanks for the clarification.
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TMW
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If it's decided to for-go the trip to the water falls, OK. But just to set the record straight, most pre-runners are not in a trophy truck running
100mph. In fact there are only a few places to go 100mph period and matomi wash ain't one of them. Most pre-runners are in everything from stock
trucks to modified pre-runners to buggies to motorcycles and quads. And if I don't go to the water falls I'll be one of the pre-runners either in my
truck or on my motorcycle along with some friends who are racing the race. David is right, pre-running is just that and all public roads are open.
It's the guys going backwards on the course that you need to be concerned with and I'd bet that's what Sal was and is concerned with too. If you want
to close the area off for future races, have a pre-runner kill a local rancher for example who was driving backwards on the course with his family. A
similar situation happened in San Quintin in 89 during the Baja 1000 race and they didn't race thru there again until 98.
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Desertbull
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TW,
I assume that you have loads of off-road racing experience. However, I must disagree with you sir. Would you like me to provide you photos of the
trucks that the Trophy Truck teams pre-run with. Hello???? Do you think they are pre-running in stock trucks? Not generally..however, a few low-buck
teams do but those are not the teams that will be out this early pre-running cuz they cannot afford to hang out in SF for 2 weeks before the race
breaking parts on the same trucks they use for race day chasing etc. The guys out pre-running are the fully outfitted teams that are heading to SF
from next weekend until the race weekend. At last years' race, I'm aware of one team that pre-ran the course over 10 times sometimes a twice a day...
Almost all of them have monster horsepower pre-runners..if you think they don't go down Matomi at 100 mph..then with respect, you are in La-La land.
As a witness riding in the right seat..I can attest to this. Again, I merely post here to provide your group with what is going to happen on 2/14 and
on.
I'm concerned only for your groups safety. The merits of whose course it is, who paid what is irrelevant. Westy is correct, go anywhere do anything,
you certainly have the right to share Baja with the racers, but IMHO taking a caravan of full-size Ford trucks, Chevy Suburbans and a handful of
Tacoma's into an area that is set to have pre-runners on it is senseless. Personally, I don't care...but professionally, I've seen horrific accidents
as has Westy..and many times it's just because common sense was not used. If you were heading up there any other time...I wouldn't even being posting
here.
Baja adventure is all about minimizing liabilities and using smart strategy, which many of you have proven time and time again that you utilize.
Having a radio guy in the front, back whatever is useless when you have the Truggy or Class 1 pre-runner coming up on you at 65-70 mph in the dirt.
I can imagine your group poking along on the trail and Jesse Jones flying up on you in his 700 horsepower Pre-Runner .. what's he going to do? He'll
pass you on the right side at speed course and race by you guys filleting your vehicles with baseball size and smaller rocks being thrown at your
vehicles. Ohhhh... I forgot, you'll probably say it's part of the adventure. Trust me, that guy isn't going to stop and exchange phone numbers. Some
of you know what it's like out there mixed in with the pre-runners, but to take others there who have no idea is not cool.
Most of these racers have raced this course in the past...the last thing they are going to do is stop and take notes. For Pete's Sake...it's already
programmed into the latest GPS equipment mounted in their vehicles.
Thank god Robby Gordon will be busy at the Daytona 500 on Sunday and can't pre-run that particular day for the SF250. But the host of other racers
will be there. We are chasing for several different race teams on Sat/Sun/Mon/Tue...Westy has our contact info for emergencies.
Best Regards,
Desertbull
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David K
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So Tim, the SCORE rules or suggestions that pre-running is not to be done at race speeds is ignored or no longer the case?
When you come up to a slower vehicle, do you hit him first or allow him to pull over afer sounding your horn?
We would be going the same direction as the pre runners, not against. Why the need to scare people? Do the Mexican ranchers who use those roads have
to stay off them for the next two weeks, as well? Only SCORE people can drive on these dirt roads for two weeks? How about using Mex. Hwy. 5, which
part of it is the race course? Do racers have the right to stop all traffic on non- race days, like next Sunday?
I will not do anything unsafe and will follow the desires of this large group. But, I have been on roads with pre-runners and there is no terror
involved... we just move out of the way and enjoy the noise.
Just seems you are being extra heavy in trying to prevent a bunch of folks from seeing Matomi? Thanks for your concern, however.
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Desertbull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
So Tim, the SCORE rules or suggestions that pre-running is not to be done at race speeds is ignored or no longer the case?
Are you kidding me? Gimme a break...what time warp are you living in?
When you come up to a slower vehicle, do you hit him first or allow him to pull over afer sounding your horn?
Honk...Honk...at 70-80 miles per hour...ROTFLMAO
We would be going the same direction as the pre runners, not against. Why the need to scare people?
My safety warning is not intended to SCARE anyone, merely to point out concerns for those that don't know..please disregard any information
that you already know...which having been away from you for so long is I forgot that you know EVERYTHING
Do the Mexican ranchers who use those roads have to stay off them for the next two weeks, as well?
I'm fairly certain that ranchers who have resided in that area for decades have much experience in dealing with off-road racers as they have
been part of this epic tradition for their entire lifetime. Pretty much just like you!
Only SCORE people can drive on these dirt roads for two weeks?
Ummmmm....let me think about this one for awhile. Maybe we will take a Mr. Kier Poll? Come on Mr. Kier are you trying to engage in debate....I
already addressed this issue
How about using Mex. Hwy. 5, which part of it is the race course?
Just watch out for the Coyotes : )
Do racers have the right to stop all traffic on non- race days, like next Sunday?
This isn't about rights Mr. Kier. It's about common sense, that's all!
I will not do anything unsafe and will follow the desires of this large group.
As the definitive leader of this Matomi Wash trip, lead, guide and teach common sense to your amigos.
But, I have been on roads with pre-runners and there is no terror involved... we just move out of the way and enjoy the noise.
I did not describe terror...that's your perception Mr. Kier. I describe what is the fact...and standing or being parked next to the race
course when Scotty Steinberger goes by prerunning ain't my cup of tea...I tend to get the hell out of the way at distance. It's predictable that you
think like that.
Just seems you are being extra heavy in trying to prevent a bunch of folks from seeing Matomi?
I am regularly involved in leading groups of people on Baja Adventures. We regularly re-route our trips away from race course where teams are
prerunning so that we minimize the risk of liability and protect life and property. Having recently witnessed a bad accident that occurred in Baja
with people that used absolutely no common sense and being involved in the extraction process, it's not a fun thing to be part of. However, it needed
to get done and we just handled it. My concern is for those in your group who have no clue about what they are about to get involved in because
they've not been told. That's who I'm concerned about. The other veterano's like Mike H, Surfer Jim and the boys can handle themselves and they have
much experience and know what to do...the others maybe not.
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Thanks for your concern, however.
You're Welcome!
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[Edited on 2-11-2004 by Desertbull]
[Edited on 2-11-2004 by BajaNomad]
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capt. mike
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pre runner VS. actual race machine
in 2000 i was part of crew/help for Phoenix based "silver spoon" racing's SF 250 effort in Pro Truck, which class they won by 10 minutes, major big
fun, and my 1st real up close and personal look at this sport.
But when i 1st saw the machine they (co-Drivers Bob Shepard and Dan Ragland) were using to "test" the course, i thought i was looking at the real race
vehicle!!
so I'm stupid, no biggie, they explained why the "practice" vehicle has incredible suspension and horse power too - so they can frickin HAUL ASS and
simulate the race conditions BEFORE they actually do the race in the correct race truck, which is even more brutish!
He' s got maybe $200-250K in the race truck (Pro, not trophy) but well over a hundred grand just in the practice rig fer krissakes!! Test at high
speed?? hell yes - these guys are RACERS. That's what they do!!
I wouldn't want to be out picknickin on the course while any of that's going on myself. I've met a lot of these drivers and owners, some are friends -
they are wealthy often, type "A" and driven guys - they are not going to politely slow down for the casual tourist in the way.
The race effort is only a 3 week deal, you have 49 other weeks to go touring. why risk it?
my dos pesos...or centavos really!
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David K
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By your tone and your use of my last name, I see you have not changed and desired an end to your hostility as promissed me at Gonzaga Bay. A friend
forwarded me the slide show containing a Viva Baja photo of me, you lifted and interspersed with a burro. That was after your peace offer at Brandi's.
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Come on Tim, I thought the kiddy stuff was over. This Matomi excursion was planned for over a month or two. I was aware SCORE might use Matomi, and
that there COULD be some pre-runners when we visit the oasis. I did not say how we would drive in UNTIL the map was posted, so that we would be going
the SAME direction as pre-runners (almost 2 weeks before the race).
Instead of cheering that more good Baja Internet people may see one of Baja's natural wonders, as you have been privilaged to see... You want to scare
people by over-exaggerating the danger of a fast vehicle passing us. Keeping Baja as a 'private playground' for off road events (and not to be shared
with four wheeling groups) is what Baja.net is about, as this proves
I will not be deprived because I have been there. But, you are depriving others who are driving hundreds of miles to see Matomi Canyon. On a 250 mile
course we will be using only 15% of it for our excursion over a period of 1.5 to 2 hours, on one day... 2 weeks before the race.
What happens to the other people from San Felipe going to Matomi on this 3 day weekend who do not read this Internet board, or know about
'pre-running'. We won't be the only ones, if we go. Will you post danger signs on all road leaving San Felipe? Or, are we just lucky that we can read
your posts.
It's up to the gang, I am happy most anywhere in Baja... It just smells like a Baja.net attempt to ruin an Amigo/Nomad get together like you all tried
at the last Viva Party (I saw the email from **** ***). You guys think it's about me... wrong, Viva Baja and my web site is about Baja and the people
who love Baja for all its things, not just dirt roads to drive 100 mph on. I thought you knew that Tim...
What happened to the Desert Bull who was happy and generous and helpfull to all amigos? I remember the Viva Baja T-Shirts you had made and gave to us
in the Van, I remember the use of your Polaris (photos in my site) at Pta. Cabras, the gasoline blender margies... the one who bought me dinner after
picking my brain on a route, that I made maps and GPS details for... Where is that Desert Bull? At Brandi's last Thanksgiving, you said you felt bad
about taking that unkind photo of me with a telephoto lens that has been posted on Baja.net... You took nice pictures of my kids and I that day... It
is inside you Tim, but they just won't let you make peace with me, I guess??? Are you allowed to say anything good about me? Was it not a Viva Baja
sticker that caught your eye in El Cajon, on Amo's truck? Did you not enjoy your time at Viva Baja 3... the photos look like you had fun meeting
everyone. You and your daughters seemed to enjoy going with me to Las Pintas... as I watch Camote's movie of that day.
Again, I am not trying to make this personal, no insults, no using your last name. Since you (almost) never post here, it seems like a big effort is
being made to cancell the excursion, 4 days before it is happening. Why not until now with the dire warnings? We knew Matomi was being used for the
race, just not which direction. As there is no other way into the canyon, and this is a 'Matomi Gang' reunion, it wasn't being considered going
somewhere else. With all major area roads being used for pre-running... I don't know of a viable alternate... all the canyons will require using some
of the race course. Matomi is the safest as no where would we need to go the wrong direction, thanks to Parral canyon.
Have a fun time driving fast, we will have a fun time driving normal. Take care of yourself, and once again thank you for the warning, even though you
waited to the last minute. Maybe we just stay on the beach that day? Would you come with you gasoline blender and make some margies for all the
disappointed Nomads?
[Edited on 2-12-2004 by BajaNomad]
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Desertbull
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Mildly amusing to say the least.
I rarely visit your new home here at Nomad, but I saw a post on Baja.net that stated you were leading a group of people to Matomi over the first
weekend of pre-running of the SF250.
I shook my head along with many others in disbelief.
I visited your home here at Nomad to verify. I felt fairly confident that in fact you would have much to say about my post.
However, AGAIN as stated so many times above, Mr. Kier, it was for the sake of safety and those that didn't know they were being lead down an active
desert race course. It was not meant for you, but as expected you reacted in typical David K fashion.
AGAIN, I don't give a rats **** about any of those who know what's up with the race and prerunning activities surrounding it...I'm not depriving
anyone of anything....I'm friggin' giving them the heads up about what's going on...and IMHO that it's a bad decision to play on an active race
course...That's it!!!
I felt some stupid obiligation to post to those that believe every word you say as gospel...
***************************. Again, you are living you personal life on the Internet drumming up empathy ***********...I think sometimes you'll wake
up and smell the roses...but the more I think, the more I realize...THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
Baja.net doesn't not care what the hell you or any of these other people are doing or where you go...For you to even insinuate that Los Hermanos Locos
cares about your activities ***********...we already know what your about...it's all those that don't really know you yet...that's who I worry about.
Ol' well, let em' learn the hard way. Probably shoulda kept my mouth/fingers shut..and I did so against the advice of all those that know you...and oh
so well.
Desertbull 
[Edited on 2-12-2004 by Desertbull]
[Edited on 2-12-2004 by BajaNomad]
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Roberto
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David, are you seriously trying to say that DB posted just to scare people away from the trip and "keep Baja as a private playground"? Really?
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TMW
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Desert Bull, I like a challenge so here's the deal. You get your 100mph TT and pick a spot anywhere in Matomi wash between RM156 and RM180. I'll have
my radar gun and if you can do 100mph at the spot I'll pay you $500. I'll give you three runs at it. If you don't break a 100mph on any run you pay me
$250. To be fair we can calibrate the gun on the hwy and you can have any member of your team or buddies watch me tag the truck.
[Edited on 2-12-2004 by TW]
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Mike
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WHOOOO HOOOO!!!
I cant drive 55! (Music Playing)
Now even I'm getting interested!
I'll throw fifty bucks in! ($50)
just keep me updated DB
Mike Overcast
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Mike
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That reminds me...
One year, I do not remember when, I spent several days climbing the devil, when my buddy and I woke up, we knew the race had started but only saw
quads on the lake bed (diablo dry lake) we finished breakfast and tooled down to the race course junction (the race was northbound) and we knew we
only had a mile to blaze, I looked both ways like I was taught, so we both winked and I turned my 87 Ford Bronco II (modified, I'll leave it at that)
onto the course, northbound.
I let 'Pepe' (remember the movie) wind out, my high rise manifold and fuel injection (a testiment to Baja Bronco Glory of yesteryear) do its thing,
after a half a mile we were flying at 85 MPH on the lakebed..............yea, flying...
or, so I thought
We were listening to The Cult or AC/DC or Sammy Hagar, when...
I looked back in my rear view mirror...
I saw a trail of dust rapidly approaching,
really fast
be back..
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David K
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Mr. S., I see there was no sincerety in you words to me. I offer peace and friendship.. you continue with insults. Funny how you, Minnow (Me-No), and
now Roberto have all posted today... when we haven't seen you three in quite awhile?
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If anyone doesn't want to drive on 15% of the race route, 2 weeks before the race, on just one day, for a couple hours, in the same direction as any
pre-runners, then they can choose not to. I don't tell anybody what to do in Baja. We Nomads are adults... no orders are given to go to Baja.net and
harass anyone, either.
Roberto: Well, yes I guess so... Why else would one wait until 4 days before a 2 month planned event to sour it. This is a President's Day Event...
Score moved the 250 race into Feb. from the usual March date. I respect the sport of Off Road Racing... and to interfere as little as possible, yet go
where we had planned for so long, I waited for the map to decide how we would drive. What else could I have done... There is no secret about the
event. For the tiny portion of race course we were using (2 weeks before the race), would explain to anyone who didn't know about pre-running the
course. Possibly before you guys knew what off road racing was, I pre-ran the Baja 1000 2 weeks before the race I was in, and didn't see another
pre-runner (San Matias Pass to El Crucero via the old Gonzaga grades road) in 1979.
Oh, Tim, there are not 49 other weekends to do this. Unlike you Tim, we all just can't go when we feel like it. Some have school kids, some have
jobs... a 3 day weekend is the minimum. We did this before on President's Day and we were even passed by a couple pre-runners in Valle Chico... as
were others out on that day. NOTHING HAPPENED, a class 5 bug (I think) just zoomed past us...
You boys are trying so hard to make this an anti David K thing... When you are just showing the amigos on Nomad how low you are with the flurry of
insults even with my peace offering.
I am going camping, some of you want to join me... that's great. If you read Mike Humfreville's account of our last President's Day campout you know
we will enjoy ourselves. I posted, that everybody should be self contained... just like wilderness camping where we don't rely on others for our fun.
When those of us 'solo' campers, camped together.. it was great! This is not about David K, this is about Baja amigos having a nice weekend
together... Sorry if that irritates you so.
Once again, I hope all you Baja.net'ers have a wonderful time. The rest of us don't need an off road race to enjoy Baja.
Now, please ******** thaaat other place... I do not go there and harass any of you, ever.
No reply is needed, hopefully the whole exchange will be deleted after you read it... Peace.
[Edited on 2-12-2004 by BajaNomad]
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PJC
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How about $450?
| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
Desert Bull, I like a challenge so here's the deal. You get your 100mph TT and pick a spot anywhere in Matomi wash between RM156 and RM180. I'll have
my radar gun and if you can do 100mph at the spot I'll pay you $500. I'll give you three runs at it. If you don't break a 100mph on any run you pay me
$250. To be fair we can calibrate the gun on the hwy and you can have any member of your team or buddies watch me tag the truck.
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TW, no offense but...
The section around RM170 or so.. is fast, wide open, very smooth and even hard packed to a degree. I have touched 90MPH through there in my Lothringer
4-seat with 3 passengers.
At the time, a TT driver friend was driving a TT like prerunner through there with me and simply disapeared when we got into this area. He was likely
doing 110MPH +.
My car can't do much more than 90MPH with the 4-speed box and low reving V-6. So, can you make your check out for $450? It seems fair.
The trouble with this area is that there are a few blind spots created by mesquite trees (or whatever) that folks tend to park near or under for
shade. You gotta keep your eyes peeled and you absolutely must park way away from the beaten path if you stop.
Really, the rough areas are up at the top and down by the highway. The stuff in between is a breeze past the occassional hidden and imoveable rock
that just happenes to be the same color as the sandy wash. There is one in the left track of a right sweeper west of the fast section that has yet to
move no matter how many people (including me) have tagged it at speed.
Personally, I think you all should go up Chanate. Then you'll know what Hell is.
[Edited on 2-12-2004 by Baja Blackie]
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Me No
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To Nerf. Verb
Off-Road Dialect: To Violently assist Vehicle slowing ones progress out of the way. 
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Mike Humfreville
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Since we seem to have a conflict of interest...
and many of you know the area, including David, DB, etc, why don't we spend some productive time figuring out where we Matomi folks could go that is
off the race road and just as interesting. That in lieu of all the pixxing and moaning that you drag so many of us through.
Suggestions, please? We'll be camped in Nuevo Mazatlan. Day trips???
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I'm just an old explorer dude that likes to get away to the outback when I can. Chase a few jack wabbits, eyeball a few old mine sites, eat some
smoke in the evening around a campfire, and maybe sip on a beer or some tequila...
When I'm stuck back here on the ranch at home, I find great joy in reading about other Baja Amigo's that have taken the time to write about their
trips, adventures, and mishaps.
One of my favorite 'reads' has to be David K. He not only posts his own adventures, but includes many others along the way. His descriptions,
pictures and info on his web site are second to none, IMHO. Why does he do it? He's a self confessed lover of Baja California, who wants to share
his discoveries with the rest of us in our small corner of cyberspace. I say 'thank you David' for your efforts! I for one, am far more
Baja-literate than I'd ever be on my own. I too, love the lure of Baja, and your 'reads' help keep it burning...
The pot-shots David K has to endure around here from time-to-time seem a bit out of line, from my point of view. David sure doesn't need me to defend
him - he does quite well by himself, without all the heated rhetoric employed by his detractors. It's fine for us to disagree with one-another on
occasion - we're all different, and from different backgrounds - so stating one's 'case' and then getting on with life seems like a good plan.
Viva Baja, Viva Matomi, I long for your rustic beauty, your grandeur, and the occasional roar of a highly tuned machine hangin' 'two' as it side slips
around my 4wheeler on it's quest for that next course marker.
According to my clock...anytime is \'BAJA TIME\' & as Jimmy Buffett says,
\"It doesn\'t use numbers or moving hands It always just says now...\"
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