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Crusoe
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David.....With all due respect to you.......I completely agree with you 100% on all you state about France-WW2, etc., etc..That was then(50 years ago
and Hitler was truly a madman and needed to be stopped) and this is now!! Our present war has cost us some 3600 young men abd some 20k wounded. Its
all just a matter of prespective in how you see it and how closely it affects you.If you were an 8 year old Iraqi boy laying in a hospital bed, with
both your legs blown off, looking at your 6 year old little sister with a missing arm and both your parents were dead, your prespective of George Bush
as compared to Adolf Hitler wouldn't be much different.Right now the Bush- Cheeney gang are in Iraq for one thing only. Our country needs more oil.
Are freeways, in every major city, and then some are clogged with one person driving one vehicle with an average speed of about 6 to 15 m.p.h..This
clog extends up to one hundred miles long in some major metrpolitan areas.I was just defending Steve in Oro Valleys comments on more fuel efficient
vehicles. How much is enough? I am seeing advertisements now for 2 million dollar condos in Cabo del San Jose with parking for your 40ft. 500k diesel
pusher motor home. Another big development in San Fillepe as well,with plenty of golf courses,and more 2mil. condos. with up to 45ft. motothome
parking.The planet as we know it(and Baja) can not sustain this type of whimsical consumption for very much longer.For the record..... I am very much
pro- American.This country is great, but it also has a real responsibilty to make the world a better place with all our smarts and technolgy know
how.I have just one question for you.If your also pro American and feel strongly about your convictions, why did you buy a Toyota?
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TMW
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["If your also pro American and feel strongly about your convictions, why did you buy a Toyota?"]
What's so American about Ford or chevy when they are assembled in Canada or Dodge that's owned by a German company. Where do you think Toyota is
assembled at? And what percentage of parts are American made?
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tripledigitken
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it's about time for this to go off topic, when our president is being compared to hitler.
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capt. mike
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.................gas costs less than bottled water!!!!!!!!........
am currently paying $4-$5 a gal for avgas, in EU its about $9-$10 a gal!!
gas is a bargain in my opinion. but i try to maximize its usage.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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David K
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Understand the passion here... I am in favor of better performance and improved milage! I bought a Toyota, afterall! It has to do with freedom too.
Saddam Hussein was the Hitler of our times, and like WWII we did what was necessary even though neither Germany or Iraq attacked us (directly).
That little boy was missing legs more likely from a suicide bomber or land mine planted by the supporters of Saddam's side, not the liberators
(U.S.)...
It is a crime that the media poisons us with their slant... Just ask the troops who have been there or repeatedly volunteer to go back about our
mission there.
If Bill Clinton (or another Dem) was the one decided to enforce the U.N. sanctions, the media would love this war... When Clinton invaded Yugoslavia
that didn't seem to bother anyone!
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Slowmad
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Nothng like a good thread hijack to bring the dillweeds out of the bush...
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Slowmad
Nothng like a good thread hijack to bring the dillweeds out of the bush... |
Guilty as charged........maybe more guilty under the NHL idea that the second one in on a fight is worse than the perpetrator.
I'm actually all for maximizing our fuel efficiency and dont disagree with Steve-O except that the comparison between the US and Europe is not a fair
one. Let's now compare the EU to, say, a sub-Saharan country and see how they measure up. Of course it's not a fair comparison.
I'm mostly against these "one size fits all" solutions to fuel economy as a threat to economic freedom........which in this day and age IS ABOUT THE
ONLY FORM OF FREEDOM. You cant expect a vehicle that's purpose is to carry 5-10 tons to get 30mpg. You cant blame a family of 4-5 for wanting a little
more metal around their loved ones.
It's the idiots that commute in single-occupant vehicles on freeways in gridlock with 300+ hp status-symbols that are the problem, IMO. Same route,
same time, every day. THOSE are the people to target.
All in all, I think fuel in the 3.00 range is about where it should be. Yeah, it hurts, but nothing makes people conserve faster than economics.
That's my take.........
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surfer jim
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...all I did was ask if anyone had seen a TOYOTA commercial....
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Crusoe
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David....Again I completely agree with you. And Hook... you are spot on in your assesment. I agree with you 100%. The thing I am having a problem with
is... that it is very hard for me to watch all these nice small absolutely pristine untouched places in Baja fall to development. Not just one or two
places over the years, but many and before you know whats happened, the whole wildness and remote feeling will be gone, and Baja will become another
county just the same as San Diego County. It seems to me that 1960 was not that long ago, and just compare that Baja to our present Baja. When they
are able to pave most of the main roads it will only bring more development.Its all happening right before our eyes. Its just sad for me to watch it
happen. I hope you can understand. There never is any going back.
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David K
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AMEN!!!
I wish it was 1960 or even 1970 again... in Baja! Well, here in San Diego County, too! However, do I need to be 3 or 13 all over again, too?
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Mexitron
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I wouldn't mind 23 or 33 again!
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bajaguy
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Surfer Jim
Do you have another topic that you would like to post????
[Edited on 3-28-2007 by bajaguy]
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David K
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Yah Jim, this is a riot... Post ANY question on Nomad and let's see how it spins!!! 
Surfer Jim gives a thumbs up to Baja!!!
[Edited on 3-28-2007 by David K]
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bajaguy
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Tacoma
Actually, if Toyota put the I-Force V-8 in the new Tacoma, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Actually, if Toyota put the I-Force V-8 in the new Tacoma, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. |
What technology does the I-force engine have that they didnt include in the new Tundra?
I am pretty sure that the standard engine in the new Tundra is the largest one that was available in the '06 Tundras. Wasnt that an I-force engine?
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bajaguy
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I-Force was their "standard" V-8 last year (4 point something liter). The new 07 Tundra has the I-Force and a new larger "mega" V-8.
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Tomas Tierra
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the new big engine one is an I-Force as well.
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David K
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Believe me the 4.0 litre V-6 in my Tacoma is all the power you will need... 245 HP I believe is the rating...
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bajaguy
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yeah, but I want to tow a camping trailer....up hill..
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Believe me the 4.0 litre V-6 in my Tacoma is all the power you will need... 245 HP I believe is the rating... |
That may well be, David, but it's a somewhat moot point. That engine is not available in any 4x4 model in the new Tundra. Not too many interested in
Baja would be interested in a 4x2. 236 HP on the 4.0 liter engine, BTW.
Taco TTs (Tent Tow-ers) just aint the same thing, man. Toyota is trying to move beyond the Tonka class with the new Tundra. If it's like any other market they enter, they will probably do just fine.
Looks like the new Tundra 4x4 crew cab, long bed weighs about 1500# less than my F350 4x4, supercab, diesel. Figure maybe a 300-400# difference in
engine weight, maybe saving about 150-200# in the bed length discrepancies and the composite vs metal difference.........that's still about 1000# of
weight difference somewhere.  It will be interesting to see how they hold up, towing at or near their capacity.
Not that that American trucks aren't subject to problems doing this, dont you know.
GVWR are significantly less than my F350. I can load about 1 k more. My CGVWR is around 20 k; looks like the big Tundra is about 17.7 k.
But what were they thinking with that 26 gallon tank? If it gets 14 city, towing around 10k will probably drop that into the neighborhood of 10 mpg.
260 mile range? Will they make it from El Rosario to Jesus Maria? Just barely........better hope for no head wind.
Bout damn time Toyota went with 4 wheel disc brakes........
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