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tripledigitken
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Dave,
please keep us all posted. good luck in finding another location.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Phil S
Geezzzz. Next thing you know, someone will tell us, Red Robin has come to Baja. Then we'll hear Red Lobster is building a new facility in Cabo.
There is no more surprises down here once Home Depot came to town, then Cosco. What's next?????? |
We would KILL for a Red Robin! We'd KILL MANY for a Starbuck's!
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Dave....bring your Deli to the south end of Ensenada and add a coffee bar!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Baja Bernie
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Have talked to Dave more than once about the encroachment of gringos into Rosarito.................One hell of a good man who I hope someday will find
a place that his feet will feel comfortable to stay..............And he sure can play the piano.
I know where he is looking and it is to far away for this old guy to drive, even for the best deli sandwich in all of Baja.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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capt. mike
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no body b-tches when Filibertos, Rolbertos and the rest of them moved into AZ and CAl from Mex.
they are chains................and gooooood ones!
i want Krispy Kreme asap in baja!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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Paula
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Well said, Larry!
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Mexico is at the turning point, maybe past it, and where it goes depends on what sort of society the majority wants: impersonal chains, be they
national or multi-national (not a lot of difference), or a more personally interconnected individualized economy. I suspect money (price) will win
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Chains don't destroy mom and pop...it's the taxman. If/when Mexico decides to enforce its tax code will signal the beginning of the end.
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bancoduo
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| Quote: | | Chains don't destroy mom and pop...it's the taxman. If/when Mexico decides to enforce its tax code will signal the beginning of the end.
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Interesting concept. Can you elaborate?
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MrBillM
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The Big and the Little
The Big Restaurant Chains Didn't wipe out the small restaurants in the U.S. and they won't wipe them out anywhere else. You can go into any City or
Town in the U.S. and find an abundance of Mom and Pop restaurants coexisting with the Big Chains. If they serve good food at reasonable prices, they
have and will survive. The joints that were mediocre and over-priced were the ones that were forced out. Good riddance.
Food-Service is unique. People will support the better ones no matter what the competition.
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Sharksbaja
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Really? Coexist?
Just like all the small retailers and Wal-Mart?
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
The Big Restaurant Chains Didn't wipe out the small restaurants in the U.S. and they won't wipe them out anywhere else. You can go into any City or
Town in the U.S. and find an abundance of Mom and Pop restaurants coexisting with the Big Chains. If they serve good food at reasonable prices, they
have and will survive. The joints that were mediocre and over-priced were the ones that were forced out. Good riddance.
Food-Service is unique. People will support the better ones no matter what the competition. |
Are you saying the better ones are fast food joints?
This is interesting. Considering the fact that only one in ten restaurants succeed past the first year. This must mean that those "chains" are not
making it. 
I digress. Pay attention to peoples' spending habits. This will steer many into Applebees, Micky Ds'. Burger King. Take yer pick.
Say what? You can get 12 snackers for the price of one bowl of cioppino at my restaurant? Where? Nobody sells food that cheap!
So the economy is hoppin' in CA. Must be all those successful mom & pop places.
I can see this thread has attracted more than most the recent posts. Speaks for itself.
Word of warning...... as with the cat food recall, you can be guaranteed this will happen in the fast food industry. Just a matter of time. Most
folks don't realize that their precious meal came out of a truck that just stopped at all the forementioned dives.
SLURP on that!
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Dave
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Cioppino?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Say what? You can get 12 snackers for the price of one bowl of cioppino at my restaurant? Where? Nobody sells food that cheap!
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And just how many snacker a-fishy-o-nados patronize your restaurant? You're comparing apples and oranges. It's not the same food dollar.
It ain't always about price. They sell BMW's don't they?
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bajabound2005
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Yes, and Audis, too, right here in Ensenada! But, NEWS FLASH! Coming soon to Ensenada in the World of Walmart/Home Depot plaza across from Costco
-- DAIRY QUEEN and SUBWAY only a stone's throw from Applebee's!!! Also, there is supposed to be a Casino of some sort going in there!
[Edited on 4-4-2007 by bajabound2005]
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comitan
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Had lunch at a Subway here in La Paz Today.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Sharksbaja
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Maybe si maybe no??
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Say what? You can get 12 snackers for the price of one bowl of cioppino at my restaurant? Where? Nobody sells food that cheap!
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And just how many snacker a-fishy-o-nados patronize your restaurant? You're comparing apples and oranges. It's not the same food dollar.
It ain't always about price. They sell BMW's don't they? |
Oh, I think that people with marginal incomes will fill their gas tank first and thus opt for lesser quality foods. It is true Dave that
demographically cioppino probably, no , certainly, attracts a different crowd.
I can see a diet change regardless of the health issues in the past ten years. What I see are more people with less disposable cash and a huge
percentage of credit card users. A (fresh)seafood meal costs considerably more than it used to. Hamburgers and deli sandwiches haven't gone up much.
I also see less thin people which indicates a hi-fat diet. We could talk about the shift in consumer choice. Not unusuaI to see a Hummer pull thru
Jack. I feel that fast-food restaurants may not be scooping us but their corporate muscle and deep pockets makes it hard for many parallel food
establishments to compete.:
BTW, are you aware of seafood prices lately here? Unfriggin' believable! Salmon, if you can get it, is anywhere from $10 - $35 a lb ! Crab, too high
to reveal! Even Ak halibut and Ling Cod is way up. Even though we haven't
raised our prices, most folks understand that the hike in prices are typically reflected exponentially at restaurants. That is unless you are a Red
Lobster. Yep, different crowd there.
How many skinny fat pescadores do you know?
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Bedman
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I'd love to jump in and reveal the plight of the Independent retailer VS the Big Boys. (I type slowly and the painted picture isn't a pretty one, but
here are a few examples)
25 years as an independent furniture retailer and the current experiences with the major brands is getting ugly. Factories are placing sale minimums
on the smaller guys. Don't sell enough of their product and your no longer an authorized dealer. Sell your product at a discounted price compared to
the Big Boys and your no longer an Authorized dealer. Don't meet their required load for free delivery and you have to pay a 1.5% transport fee. (Some
smaller retailers have to save up their orders to make the minimum order) Don't place an order for 7 days and your on the "watch list". Make the watch
list 4 times in 4 months and your orders will get lost and never filled.
Advertising? The small places can barely meet the minimum inches in major paper let alone compete with the budgets of Walmart. My advertising budget
hovers @$100,000 annually and I'm just a tad bigger than a Mom and Pop. Here's another one, have less than 10 employees and Workers comp is 10% of
your payroll. Have 1 workers comp case filed and your rate will triple and stay that rate until you pay off the amount that Workers comp payed out,
unless you have hundreds or thousands of employees.
I'm fortunate that my business is large enough that I have only experienced the Workers comp triple rate charge. This country was built on small mom
and pop operations and they still have a large slice of the pie, but it isn't going to last that much longer. Pretty soon there will only be one
restaurant called "Jacks Taco Burger King" One store for all sundries called Wallsears, One Auto repair shop called Jiffymidas, One clothing store
called Old NavyGap. The choices are going to be fewer and fewer till they.....the Infamous they begin to eat themselves up.
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astrobaja
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Ultimately its the customer who has the biggest influence on overall market trends, if you choose to let the marketing(brainwashing) tell you how to
spend yours $$$ at the big chain stores then they will proliferate. A few years back my Wife and I decided that to the best of our ability we would
slow down the pace and only give small mom and pop places our patronage, it supports the local economy and gives a much more pleasent experience (when
was the last time that an employee of a big chain show you an pride in what they do?). All over N America traveling along the interstates you see the
very same food chain coast to coast and from time to time if you spot an old thoroughfare that went close to the interstate you will see the boarded
up old mom and pops that were put out of business by them.
It really is an insult to the mom and pops that Applebys lives off the marketing illusion of the traditional old mom and pops that they kill!
Besides why would you eat at a chain if you can get fabulous real home made seafood tostadas or carnitas or birria. To each their own but realise
that how we spend our money in Baja dictates how it will change and become blandified
just my 2 C
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MrBillM
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Love that FAST Food
As I said, Food Service is unique and any comparison to the battle between the Big Box retailers and the smaller vendors is flawed and meaningless.
When someone is buying a Brand-Product, price is the primary and often sole consideration. The same isn't true of prepared foods.
Speaking for myself only, I enjoy those fast food purveyors and eat at them on a regular basis. My motive is not saving money. My favorite
restaurant in Charlotte Amalie, St. Thomas was ARBYs. Great French Dips.
I'll say it again. A restaurant will survive against ANY competition if it serves food people want at a reasonable price. PERIOD.
You can go into any urban area and find small "Mom and Pop" restaurants that are doing well within a block of the big chains.
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Sharksbaja
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I must be hallucinating
I see mom & pops fail all the time. You say it has nothing to do with the big boys. You imply they can compete on an even playing field.
"Reasonable price" is the key word here. I would have to disagree. Little places typically are buried in overhead . Taxes, insurance and all the other
costs add up fast.
But then, you ARE an expert, obviously.
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A restaurant will survive against ANY competition if it serves food people want at a reasonable price. PERIOD. You can go into any urban area and find
small "Mom and Pop" restaurants that are doing well within a block of the big chains
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Another crock of frijoles. If you frequent fast food chains, how would you really know?? You're part of the lop-sided equation.
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Cypress
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  You're
gonna go all the way down to Baja for generic food?
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MrBillM
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Another Instance of ADD
Not being an expert on Shark Neuropathy, I can't venture a guess as to your inability to comprehend what I'm saying, but I NEVER said
that Small Businesses don't fail. Small Business Failure rates have always been at a high percentage, especially in the early years, regardless of
the presence of Big Guys. Those failures are mostly a result of Bad Business practices.
What I DID say was that there are a multitude of Small restaurants coexisting in the same immediate geographical
area as the large chain outfits. In the U.S. town where I live, there are dozens of small cafes doing well despite the competition from Denny's,
Coco's, Sizzler, APPLEBEE'S and others. Interestingly, "In-N-Out Burger" has delayed building on their site because they don't feel there's room for
them with the Restaurants that are already there. Judging from the standard established by the WHINERS, this phenomenom shouldn't occur.
I'm not an Expert in the Food-Service Industry, but I have been in business successfully for myself in the past, so I have an
acquaintance with the issues involved.
I had no idea that frequenting Fast Food establishments disqualified one from commenting on the subject. That eliminates Millions of people
(including Wanker Willie Clinton), doesn't it ? I guess by the "Elitist" standard, the majority is always clueless.
When I first moved to Indio (California) back in the early 70s, Interstate 10 was under construction. The main highway (99) going through Indio had
more than a dozen Gasoline Service Stations. Once the Interstate opened, those stations began to fail, but there were perhaps 3-5 which remained
solvent. The difference was not price, but customer service. I always asked the whiners who went belly-up why those didn't fail when the traffic
moved away. They never had an answer.
"There are always many EXCUSES for Failure. Success doesn't need one".
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