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Didn't the bulk of the tuna fleet move to American Samoa? Due to that relocation, I'm told that if you approach Am. Samoa by water on the downwind
side, you can smell it long before you can see it.
How appetizing.
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David K
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Maybe the French were getting even for all the coral reef desrtuction by the Rainbow Warrior when it smashed through the stuff in French Polynesia on
some protest venture???
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Maybe the French were getting even for all the coral reef desrtuction by the Rainbow Warrior when it smashed through the stuff in French Polynesia on
some protest venture??? |
I think you guys are all missing the point. You are all hung up on what you percieve as the wrongs that Greenpeace has done.
The point is they are down there at Puerto Los Cabos taking an action to prevent the illegal distruction of the estuary.
And David if you look on the web a little you will see that they have been quite active prior to the current march.
At this point they are physically preventing the opening of the channel to the sea before it's too late.
Fonatur is planning something like 20 more of these marinas all up and down Baja. The next one might be at your favorite spot. Then what are you going
to do?
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Bob and Susan
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minnow
the guy who wouldn't leave mt st helens was harry truman...he's dead
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cameron
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
As much as I dislike the French, I have to say that their method of dealing with Greenpeace years ago was the most effective and satisfying I had seen
then or have seen since. |
I may be banned/kicked off the board for this one, but *** .*** ******, *** *** ** *******
When the French bombed the Rainbow Warrior in New Zealand, they killed an innocent man (a photographer) who was guilty of nothing more than taking
pictures!
AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THE ORGANIZATION'S POLITICS, BUT HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU SAY THAT MURDER IS "EFFECTIVE AND SATISFYING???
Greenpeace is a non-violent organization dedicated to the preservation of our planet ant the species living on it. Sure, they've done some stupid
stuff, but do their members deserve to be killed for it? The French agents held responsible for the Rainbow Warrior bombing were charged with arson,
conspiracy to commit arson, willful damage and murder. Are these the kind of people you want to be?
How about the civil-rights advocates killed in Mississippi in the 1960's? Did they deserve to die too?
Your post makes me sick. 
"Effective and satisfying.." my a**.
Cameron
[Edited on 5-10-2007 by Hose A] |
Greenpeace is a non-violent organization
 THAT IS NOT THE WAY THE LOOK TO ME
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Paula
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I wonder how you folks who have turned this thread into a discussion of the pros and cons of Greenpeace feel about the development and marina at
Puerto Los Cabos? It might be interesting to discuss the project rather than the politics.
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David K
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Thanks Mike... I know what Greenpeace is... I used to get their newsletter, etc.
The methodolgy is what I have a problem with... sit ins are just soooo SIXTIES!
The harbor is IN, the entrance channel just needs to be opened. What I am asking is WHY wait for all that work to get done and then protest?
Like what happened with the Mitsubishi Salt Works proposal for San Ignacio Lagoon, action should start BEFORE any construction begins... Far easier to
change minds when all the investment $$$ hasn't taken place... you think???
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Thanks Mike... I know what Greenpeace is... I used to get their newsletter, etc.
The methodolgy is what I have a problem with... sit ins are just soooo SIXTIES!
The harbor is IN, the entrance channel just needs to be opened. What I am asking is WHY wait for all that work to get done and then protest?
Like what happened with the Mitsubishi Salt Works proposal for San Ignacio Lagoon, action should start BEFORE any construction begins... Far easier to
change minds when all the investment $$$ hasn't taken place... you think??? |
Ya, but didn't the "sit ins" in the 60's bring an end to a war? Pretty powerful tool I'd say.
I was suggesting some web research about the actions that GP took before or early on in the project. They have filed all kinds of legal protests
stating that the project is illegal and maybe some of those will bear fruit... IF they can prevent that channel from being cut. But you know the
developers are trying to forge ahead so that it will be too late to stop. So the "Sit in" is a last ditch effort to prevent that channel from being
cut.
Sure this marina might be a foregone conclusion but like I posted earlier... "It ain't over till it's over"
And besides this is only round one in the systematic distruction of Baja in it's natural state.
Maybe we can get Green Peace to prevent the Colonet megaport and desert rail line!
[Edited on 5-11-2007 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Mexitron
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I'd be quietly busy buying up cheap coastal lands and estruaries away from the population centers instead of fighting these costly battles over prime
real estate...much more bang for the buck environmentally I'd think.
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
I'd be quietly busy buying up cheap coastal lands and estruaries away from the population centers instead of fighting these costly battles over prime
real estate...much more bang for the buck environmentally I'd think. |
That's a perfect example of why so many are worried.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Thanks Mike... I know what Greenpeace is... I used to get their newsletter, etc.
The methodolgy is what I have a problem with... sit ins are just soooo SIXTIES!
The harbor is IN, the entrance channel just needs to be opened. What I am asking is WHY wait for all that work to get done and then protest?
Like what happened with the Mitsubishi Salt Works proposal for San Ignacio Lagoon, action should start BEFORE any construction begins... Far easier to
change minds when all the investment $$$ hasn't taken place... you think??? |
Ya, but didn't the "sit ins" in the 60's bring an end to a war? Pretty powerful tool I'd say.
I was suggesting some web research about the actions that GP took before or early on in the project. They have filed all kinds of legal protests
stating that the project is illegal and maybe some of those will bear fruit... IF they can prevent that channel from being cut. But you know the
developers are trying to forge ahead so that it will be too late to stop. So the "Sit in" is a last ditch effort to prevent that channel from being
cut.
Sure this marina might be a foregone conclusion but like I posted earlier... "It ain't over till it's over"
And besides this is only round one in the systematic distruction of Baja in it's natural state.
Maybe we can get Green Peace to prevent the Colonet megaport and desert rail line!
[Edited on 5-11-2007 by fishbuck] |
I appreciate your responce! Much better than the sceaming emotional types that usually yell at me here!!
Keep us posted on the facts Mike, that will change more opinions than the typical 'sky is falling and it's America's fault' stuff!
Viva Fishbuck!
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I appreciate your responce! Much better than the sceaming emotional types that usually yell at me here!!
Keep us posted on the facts Mike, that will change more opinions than the typical 'sky is falling and it's America's fault' stuff!
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Thanks David K! It's fun to exchange ideas. I always learn something too!
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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bajajudy
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Do any of you know what is involved in an anuncio(that may not be the exact word, but it is a protest filed with the government of Mexico, notice I
said Mexico) It is a very long and tedious process and if you file one and you loose, you have to pay the person you filed against for all work lost
due to your filing.
There is a reason this is late coming. The Angeles del Estero have been working on this unaided for years. They needed help and are finally getting
some. Greenpeace is not the only organization that has stepped up to the plate recently and finally the word is getting out to the people. A
grassroots group like the Angeles have a very hard time with funding and therefore need outside help. But this group is made up of local citizens who
are beginning to be heard.
I really dont see what difference it makes when the work is stopped. Do you understand what the problem is? Our water supply is threatened by
introducing salt water into our water table. Would you want to drink salty water, put it on your plants, feed it to your pets. watch as your garden
dies along with all the other living things along the San Jose arroyo?
DK, you and I seldom agree on these types of issues but I would like to believe that if you understood the gravity of this situation, you would join
me in protesting against this travesty.
Osa, help me with this please if you have figured out how to log on!
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Marie-Rose
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Judy
I remember responding to a plea for letter writing years ago when this started. At that time it was because of the devastation to the palms and
plants. I responded then and would be willing to again if you could let me know who to address the concerns to.
I so empathize with the local san jose people. Let us know how we can help.
Remember, when in Mexico, yes may be no and no may be
maybe!
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Crusoe
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Now David K.......Please go to your room and take Judys post with you and read it for 1 hour and think about hard........And Then........Come back and
write us an intelligent well thought out reply. All Nomads will thank you.++C++
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MrBillM
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60s Sits
Fishbuck "Credits" as a good result the 60s protests with bringing the Vietnam war to an end (in the 70s).
There is still active debate over the Cause, Course and Cost of the Vietnam conflict. One result AFTER Our ignominious departure was
an extended intramural conflict including the ChiComs that resulted in an additional Three Million deaths, including just about every Adult and many
children who had been allied with our interests. It also resulted in Thousands facing death on the seas in unsafe vessels hoping to escape and find
sanctuary.
Since it didn't include American Deaths, I guess it didn't matter. Especially to the Fonda Bunch.
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Mexitron
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
I'd be quietly busy buying up cheap coastal lands and estruaries away from the population centers instead of fighting these costly battles over prime
real estate...much more bang for the buck environmentally I'd think. |
That's a perfect example of why so many are worried. |
Huh???
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Hook
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So, how did the "March today" go? Was it well attended? Peaceful? Did the Mexican Government have a "show of force" contingent ready? What did it
consist of?
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osoflojo
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Judy, who was the group that stopped the last marina project there in 93 or so, as I remember it was a group of indiginous "tree huggers" (I mean no
offense). Prehaps the group that lady from CSL headed that stopped the development of Lovers Beach. I cant remember her name or the name of the group
but she has her stuff in one pile and can get things done. A powerful ally if she is still around.
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
I'd be quietly busy buying up cheap coastal lands and estruaries away from the population centers instead of fighting these costly battles over prime
real estate...much more bang for the buck environmentally I'd think. |
That's a perfect example of why so many are worried. |
Huh??? |
Uh because, then the whole thing repeats itself from other directions. I liken it to sprawl that connects development to development. You know, like
one resort or home usually attracts more with the same idea. Kinda like catching a cold.
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