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Skeet/Loreto
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Cypress:
Question? Then "Why is there a Good Dorado and Yellowtail Season this?
Question: For anyone to make a Statement "That the Sea will be Dead in 20 years" is Foolish!!
Question: What affect has the loss of any Species had on Japan?
The Sardines keep on coming Back.
The Marlin keep on going to Their Deep Hole, that no one can get too, and returning each year.
Yellowfin Tuna parts are still listed in Cat Food.
Is the best way to control Population, to prevent Food ,and let the People Die?
If Mad Cow Diesease wiped out the Cattle, What would we Eat??
How about a little "Faith and Hope" that things will get Better?
Anon The Preacher
The Sky is Falling!! The Sky is Falling!
Why not have a little "Faith and Hope"' that things just might get better?
Non The Preacher
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Don Alley
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Bernie:
From the Billfish Foundation site, groups that are fighting the Norma:
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The groups supporting the people of Baja California Sur include the following: Sindicato De Propietarios De Embarcaciones De Pesca Deportiva De Los
Cabos AC; Asociación Mexicana de Marinas Turísticas AC; Asociación Sudcaliforniana De Desarrolladores De Tiempo Compartido AC; Asociación De Hoteles
De Los Cabos AC; Unión De Permisionarios De Carnada Viva De Cabo San Lucas; Camara Nacional De La industria De La Transformación De Los Cabos;
Camara Nacional De Comercio De Los Cabos; Camara Nacional Restaurantera De Los Cabos; Union De Pescadores Rivereños De Los Cabos; Marina
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Cypress
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Skeet. You're one heck-of- a good man, with a treasure of life experiences. You're
a Baja legend. I would rather not disagree with you, but regarding the commercial
fishing issue, there's a quantam leap between what a couple of pangas can take and that of a couple of factory ships working 24/7.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Cypress: Look back at my Post concerning the taking of the Sharks by the Japanese Boats, and the destruction by the Vitamin market.
I was not referring to Pangas. The Shrimp Boats off of Loreto took Shrimp for years, The Shrimp came Back.!
No one seems to want to try and Answer the question? What difference will it make if a "Species' is Lost?? I think that where one is Lost, another
will evolve.
We have not been able to Stop the Mosquitos, the Ants, The Flys, The Rattlesnakes!
I beleive that the Beleivers of Science Only Group of People do not have that ability to think that the "Supreme Being" may have something to do with
Nature.
I refer you to the Human "Eye" or the "Tail of a Horse".
It appears to me , that a goodly amount of the Scare Tactics of the Do Gooder and the Eco-Nuts is based on the premise of "Fear"--A Technique used by
the Strong to Control the Weak.
Survival of the Fitest is Alive and Well !!
Skeet/Loreto
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Crusoe
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Sorry Skeet........This "SUPREME BIENG" croc of feces just does not play into this subject matter, in any way...... You use the phrase "Fear"--A
Technique used by the Strong to Control the Weak. Well guess what??What do you think all religion is based on?.......There is alot of hard scientific
evidence collected and agreed on by hundreds of Marine Bioligists that claim when you wipe out a species it does not return. There are many large
areas in Puget Sound and in British Columbia that are dead zones with no living things left that were over fished for 100 years. Try as they might to
estabish new fish runs, they will never recover. Its truly a sad situation and we humans never seem to learn from our previous mistakes.
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Osprey
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Shark Norma 029
This is the third time around for this law. Seawatch site concerned people have sent over 20,000 letters so far through that site to the Mexican
lawmakers.
One local warning struck a chord for me (I paraphrase):
“Currently there are 250 new shark permits being issued out of the Cabo San Lucas office of PESCA alone. The problem is that there will be no
inspections or controls and there is no limit or observation of the bycatch: marlin, dorado, sailfish, turtles, etc. The longliners may sell/retain
any bycatch. It is believed that if they set up a couple of longliners on the 88 bank, the Gordos, the Thetis, the Golden Gate, the Jaime it won’t
take much time to wipe out the gamefish population in this area.”
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Skeet/Loreto
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Crusoe: Don't be "Sorry'. Be Alive.
Still no Answer to the Question; What affect did the Loss of the Specie have on the World as it is today?
The Partial Loss of the Human Species does seem to have and effect---The Atomic Bomb over Japan. Saved many lives in the long Run of Things.
The Defeat of the N-zis.
The Defeat of North Korea save many lives for the South.
Vietnam: Lives lost after the War alone 3 Million. Species is still alive and Kicking.
I just happen to beleive that saving a Childs Life is more inportant than a Fish.It seems as if the Do Gooders and Eco- Nuts are into their attempts
to Control the Masses through Fear are doing it for Their own Self-Interest.
The Sierra Club is a Prime Example.
I would suggest that the Do Gooders and Eco Nuts Join the Club and go to the Middle East and try to Teach their Children not to wrap Bombs around
their Bellys.
As to Religion, at least most of the Ministers try to help the People "Help Themselves by teaching them how to better their Lives even with some
Preaching. Africa is a good example
Again"What has the loss of a Fish Species done that has Changed the
World??
I will Await you answer with Abaited Breath.
Skeet/Loreto
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Osprey
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Skeet, I disagree with you on this issue. I will defend your right to say what you believe. I will fight for your right of free speech. Since I'm a
born fisherman I just won't fight very hard.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Osprey: Good! If we were all like Me and Thee, would it not be a Strange place to Live.
It is difficult for me to see the benefit of "This Generation" Impose their Views on the Future Generations through Fear.
Have you read the Label on a Can of Groumet Cat Food ??
We could pass a Law to kill all Cats thereby killing the Market for the Shark and Tuna By Products. But you know as well as I that another Market
would be Found. Maybe a Pill made of the By Products could be developed for the Humans.
We as Humans can control our Destiny-- Sharks and Fish Cannot.
The Human is the Stronger of the Species-
Skeet/Loreto
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MrBillM
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All Doze Species
The value of a species and, therefore, the loss or gain is what effect that species has on the other living species.
It is ridiculous to waste our efforts on Mice, Birds and Insects whose existence isn't felt or known by other than a few obsessive people. The
test for efforts to mitigate or prevent the loss of a particular species Should be what effect its loss would be to
our environment, practical or esthetic.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Maleria
West Nile Virus
Killer Bees
Termites
What would be the effect on the World today if the Tuna were Gone????
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flyfishinPam
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all those extinct species don't matter
I'm with Skeet. Its more important to save the life of a child than a bunch of fish, lizards, whales or whatever.
Except that any of those species can be the key to saving a life or many lives, perhaps the life of a child you personally know and care about.
What's to say that an endangered species doesn't contain a compound or precursor to one that can...cure cancers, or defeat AIDS, or alzheimer's or
???? Once that species is gone, that's it, there's no turning back. We know so little about what we destroy and kill.
Seriously if you had studied more hard science in your lifetime, placed less weight on beliefs and more on proven facts you would not expend so much
energy on telling others not to give a damn. If we wanna save our planet, let us do it, you've already had your turn now its ours and personally I'd
like to help clean up our mess and turn over a better place to my kids and grandkids.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Finally some one had the Guts to step up to the Plate and give their Opinion!!!
Some in My Generation would say that the Young Generation owes Us.
I Don't!!
As I watch the Rape of Loreto by the Ugly Americans/Canadians, Americans running down America, I pause to reflect; What did my Generation do to/or
fail to do to bring this Country to this Stage??
I tried to taech my Children Faith, Hope, Chairty, Responsibility, Honor, Kindness to Thy Neighbor, Objectivity, not to Lie, Cheat nor Steal.
Put my Life In Harms way by Fighting a War and being a Policeman. Trying to do some "Good" for my Fellow Man.
Finally I am realizing that this New Generation is on a Course of "Self Destruction and that the Next Generation will somehow, finally realize how
Wrong the Previous Generation has been.
So Pam, you said it Right. The weak-minded will beleive in "Science" not People and go on with their inability to "Control their Desires and Keep
their Passions within Due Bounds.
Why did I enlist and Fight a War just to make a Mess for you to Clean Up??
Why did I go to College to Learn to be Policeman, serve in South Central LA.
I Will not Apologize for trying to Help People in need.
But I do know when my words have fallen on Deaf Ears.
Good Luck
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fishbuck
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Yes it's sounds all noble to put the life of a person before an animal.
But it seems all this saving of people has amounted to a massive illegal immigration problem for the good ole USofA. An invasion if you will.
So when these people fish out the SOC and wipe out one species after another then what. Where will they go. They won't be able to fish anymore. Maybe
they can always sneak into the US and mooch off us.
So instead of the get rich quick schemes that they always cook up (like overfishing) how about sustainabilty for their own future. And the future of
their own children so they don't end of sneaking across the border because "they have to support their family" Maybe they should figure out how to
support the family first in their own country. You know before they create a family that they can't support.
Mexicans are suppose to have this family culture yet it doesn't work because so many of them are in poverty and starving. Why?
And you really want to help these people who are just going to continue this cycle over and over again?
6 billion people in the world and going up everyday.
I vote for the fish!
[Edited on 5-18-2007 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Cypress
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There's no shortage of kids, but there's an increasing shortage of places to catch fish. Beware when any debate is turned into a "What about the kids issue".
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Crusoe
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Fishbuck.......AMEN!!!!
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k1w1
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aaaaahhhhhhh!!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I beleive that the Beleivers of Science Only Group of People do not have that ability to think that the "Supreme Being" may have something to do with
Nature.
Skeet/Loreto |
wacko alert!!! WARNING WARNING danger Will Robinson!!
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k1w1
wacko alert!!! WARNING WARNING danger Will Robinson!! |
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MrBillM
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Pin Ball Skeet
Reading one of Skeet's rants is like watching the metal balls bounce back and forth in a Pin Ball Machine, taking off at odd angles until reaching the
bottom.
It's illustrating that he's waiting for your response with "(A)baited" breath which gives an impression of "Mockery, Attack or torment with Insults,
criticism, ridicule ". The traditionally correct term is "Bated Breath" which translates to what most people think they're saying i.e. waiting with
held breath for a response.
"Shakespeare is the first writer known to use it, in The Merchant of Venice: “Shall I bend low and, in a bondman’s key, / With bated
breath and whisp’ring humbleness, / Say this ...”. Nearly three centuries later, Mark Twain employed it in Tom Sawyer: “Every eye fixed itself upon
him; with parted lips and bated breath the audience hung upon his words, taking no note of time, rapt in the ghastly fascinations of the tale”.
Of course, given the fact that the discussion is Fishing, Perhaps the "abaited" was a play on words. Maybe not.
Again, I will say that there is NO serious argument that Worldwide Fishing supplies have not been seriously depleted by over-fishing. One season of
decent fishing doesn't negate the fact that there are species fished almost to extinction. The Atlantic Cod is one of the better-known cases and
reached a crisis point when Canada had to severely restrict the catch to save it for future generations. Another sad example was the loss of fishery
in the Philippines which resulted in Fishermen using Dynamite on the Coral Reefs to kill fish they couldn't otherwise get to.
Sadly, given past events, there will probably be NO Serious efforts to cure the problem of over-fishing until it is too late.
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Skeet/Loreto
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As I have now passed my 76 Birthday, I have made arrangements for 1/2 of my Ashes to be spread over the Sea of Cortez so that I can watch over Loreto
and make sure the Future Generation abides to what they have be told that they should Have.. Why not teach them the Bais of Life and let them decide!!
Still awaiting with "Baited Breath" the answer to my previous Question:
What effect, if any, has the loss of any Species had on the World, or maybe I should say "Humans" ??
I think that the Sharks have a better chance at Survival than Humans.
Gotta go Feed my Horses.
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